MilitantVeganIs lemmy being gatekept by animal ag shills?
Q: How do you know someone is vegan?
A: Don’t worry, they’ll tell you.
How do you know an animal abuser is in the room? Don’t worry, they either won’t shut up about bacon, or they’ll make the same bland anti-vegan jokes that were old 20+ years ago.
reads username
amniotic druidYou’re fighting the good fight, don’t worry about the pushback. If you have a choice, regular meat-eating in Western society is one of the most selfish, deluded things a person can do and future generations (if we even make it that far) will look back on those people, myself included, the same way we look at antivaxxers.
Guess I’ll consume some more meat while I can then
Genuine question: how do you see this response as different than rednecks in lifted trucks saying things like “guess I’ll roll more coal for every Prius I see”?
Well I ofcourse wont be increasing how much I eat just because of some very vocal random vegans. Just wanted to write an equally belligerent message.
Then let me rephrase my question again, how is your original reply any different than rednecks in lifted trucks who say “Well, I’m gonna have to roll as much coal as I can until it’s illegal,” when people point out the direct environmental harm that their cars have on the environment? The effects of the meat industry w/r/t climate change are well-established and indefensible.
It’s okay to acknowledge that there are some major hurdles for many people with switching to a meatless or meat-reductive diet (I even pointed out that I’m in no way a vegan or vegetarian in my top comment), but your smug response to the very real concerns of the meat industry as “welp, guess I’ve just got to eat as much meat as possible before it’s illegal or kills us all hurr hurr” comes across as incredibly ignorant and conservative. If I’m misunderstanding the message of your reply, please correct me, but I really don’t think I am.
tim-clarkA most peculiar phenomenon unfolds. Here we observe the aggressive vegan in their natural habitat. Watch closely as this complex social interaction escalates. Here, the aggressive vegan, a creature driven not just by dietary preference but a fierce moral compass that points invariably to the nearest source of conflict over animal rights. Listen closes to the ranting "Listen up! The vegan empire is taking over! We demand organic arugula and broccoli for everyone—resistance is useless. Accept our leafy greens now! They are the spearhead of a new era of dietary purity!"
Cringe comment that doesn’t even address my points and sounds like it was ripped straight out of Rand Paul-era, TheAmazingAthiest (before he got left-pilled)-worshipping Reddit’s front page comment section. I’m not even vegan and if you’d have read my comment you’d know that. You do seem like a creative writer though, so I’d love to actually read a real response to my above comment from you
Here, we observe a remarkable display: the unhinged retort from an individual uncertain of their niche within the grand tapestry of life. These are the ramblings of what might be termed a 'Cultura Superioris'—a creature that feeds not just on plants, but on the sumptuous fare of perceived moral superiority. This behavior, fascinating in its complexity, seems driven by an insatiable appetite to elevate one's status above the fray, nourished by the wholesome food of self-declared virtue.
These kinds of jokes are only funny if there is a kernel of truth to them. But no one talks about bacon unpromted.
That’s definitely untrue. Carnists never shut up about bacon.
And are these carnists in the room with us right now?
I consume the web in 4 languages. Even BEFORE going vegan I saw unprompted meat comments on literally any video/recepie, in those 4 languages, that didn’t have meat on it from vegan/healthy creators. For years. I can bet you 69k tons of my own spit you will find similar comments yourself if you look out for them rn.
Yeah, I’m pretty sure these people are trolls.
But have you every actually seen anyone in real life just randomly talk to you about bacon or meat as a dietary choice out of the blue? I haven’t.
I think the key difference is that there is hardly anyone that sees eating meat as definining trait of their personality or some moral position. It’s just food and not something you center your live around. That’s very different for a good portion of vegans.
RivenEven the people who center their life around food don’t talk about it unprompted.
Except vegans
But no one talks about bacon unpromted.
Kevin’s wife does. His agent too.
Speaking of, did you know that my Bacon Number is 3?
I was in a movie with Henning Mikkelsen > the dad of Mads Mikkelsen > in King Arthur with Ray Stevenson > in Jayne Mansfield’s Car with Kevin Bacon.
Edit: fixed bizarre autocorrect of “Kevin” to “Levon” 😄
frippaVegans = fascists of the food world. Follow my diet or I will harass you.
That is not a good technique to sway people's attitudes
If I use a technique that you approve of, will you stop abusing animals?
No, due to my medical issues. Not everyone can eat the same diet. We should reduce our waste ld food which would.make a huge dent in the number of animals for food.
Do you not consider the inputs that go into raising animals for food to be a waste? Way more calories go into feed than come out as meat.
I consider humans a waste. Vegan = facist that doesn't take into account peoples culture, economic status, health, or the other myriad ways we are destroying each other and the planet. Reduce waste, stop having children
rivvvverhahaha so true, except when its not.
So, are we hoping this gets deleted as well to keep the tradition alive, or is this hopefully going to change moderation? I’m confused on how to feel about this.
I’m just going to keep posting anti animal abuse content and eventually enough people are going to do the same until it becomes too hard to ignore.
1984It’s not hard to ignore. I ignore lots of stuff on Lemmy. There are many topics where there is no point to say what I think since people have strong opinions and won’t change their minds.
With time you will also learn that posting things on social media doesn’t change anyone’s opinion.
You come from a good place but unfortunately you can’t change what people do in their lives. Like at all. Nothing.
I ignore like 80+ NSFW communities, there’s a whole button for it. Super easy.
No. You’re delusional to think that “eventually” is ever going to become reality. Not tomorrow, not in your whole lifetime.
You’re not hard to ignore–actually, you’re pretty easy to ignore at proven by both groups of moderators.
It’s like people who say desktop Linux is currently good enough to be mainstream and it will any day now, please? And it’s everyone else’s fault that it hasn’t.
I think you’re forgetting that we can just block you and never see any of your posts again.
femboy_birdI’ll have you know that for the past 16 years of my life i have subsumed off of nothing but raw puppy and avacado and i can now summon lightning, fly, and I have telekinesis
Did you post a meme about cow farts contributing to climate change or something?
would that be a reason for it to be removed by a mod?
I have no idea, I’m just trying to guess how a vegan meme could be interpreted politically.
If a topic keeps coming up no matter how much you try to censor it, consider that it’s not going away. Some changes are long overdue.
With a topic so white hot that it can’t be ignored you should consider starting the VeganMemes sub…
I don’t like the fact that vegans are always pushed into forming echochambers. Everybody else needs to take a hard look and recognize that maybe not abusing animals isn’t so radical after all.
I dont like the fact that I don’t post anything about my balanced diet but vegans always have to virtue signal their “better ways”
There is no shortage of resources to help a person transition.
Yeah see this right here, nobody is looking for your adduce on how to go vegan because we don’t care about your diet and you shouldn’t flame people about there’s.
You were banned for being a tool, not being vegan. Get it straight.
I agree with you. However for future reference: veganism ≠ plant based diet. It’s more nuanced than that. Not all vegans stick to plant based food and not all plant based people are vegans. Hence, diet is not the main attribute of veganism.
A more educated way of being dismissive is I don’t care about your morals or philosophy or ethics or lifestyle or worldview or principles.
Lmao Vegans can’t even stand being in a community with other Vegans.
they totally can actually.
i get along completely fine with vegan and non-vegan ppl in my life.
why cant u?
Oh damn lol
I see this confusion elsewhere. Political can mean both “ripe for ideological arguments that drown out anything else” and “relating to [US] government and political parties”
Its a venn diagram often. But I can see why some communities don’t want the same predictable “vegans are assholes”/“well meat eaters hate the planet” rehashing all the time.
Its so loud and weird I often think it’s astro turfed. I haven’t met an annoying vegan in decades. And most omnivores I know want to eat less meat. It’s a rancorous debate that seems to only exist online.
Aren’t there different mods for each community? What was the meme that was deleted?
FQQDI can get behind being vegan, but something I can’t get behind is people annoying the crap out of others for not being vegan. Leaves a bad taste for the whole vegan community
Yeah, causing other beings suffering is a jerk thing to do.
Well the animals can’t ask you to stop abusing them themselves so someone has to speak up
NorgurWhere's the shirt from that you are wearing? Who built the device you are using to post here?
Where did the aluminum that's used in your bike come from? Who dug it up?
Why aren't you speaking for those people as well? Are you fine with having those clothes and the neat devices? If so,what makes those workers less worthy of "speaking up" than say dairy cows?
Thing is: there is so much abuse and exploitation going around on this world, one person cannot go against all of it, sadly. Everyone will have a different focus which sort of abuse they go against. Be it child abuse, worker exploitation, what have you.
You can blame people for not trying to better the world at all, but reserving the right to determine which wrong deserves the most attention and judging people for not following you is arrogant.
Whataboutism.
No, im not saying you shouldn't care about animals or that the matter of suffering animals is a trivial one because other things. That would be whataboutism. I'm saying that no one can care about all the suffering in the world at once. So you can't blame people if they care about a suffering that's not top priority to you and vice versa.
I used the other things I listed as examples to demonstrate that a vegan might not care as much about other things that are bad as well. Which is fine. As I said: the only people we should really annoy are those who are doing nothing at all to better the pain and suffering in this world.
Well that sounds like an appeal to futility while going vegan is so much simpler than eg stopping suffering in Gaza or Ukraine. It’s just choosing the plant milk that’s probably even in the same supermarket isle that you are in anyway.
They threaded the needle on it, but they came back around to a point about the subject in the end.