lwadminAug 15, 2023

Removal of piracy communities

https://lemmy.world/post/3234363

Removal of piracy communities - Lemmy.World

Earlier, after review, we blocked and removed several communities that were providing assistance to access copyrighted/pirated material, which is currently not allowed per Rule #1 of our Code of Conduct. The communities that were removed due to this decision were: - [email protected] [/c/[email protected]] - [email protected] [/c/[email protected]] - [email protected] [/c/[email protected]] We took this action to protect lemmy.world, lemmy.world’s users, and lemmy.world staff as the material posted in those communities could be problematic for us, because of potential legal issues around copyrighted material and services that provide access to or assistance in obtaining it. This decision is about liability and does not mean we are otherwise hostile to any of these communities or their users. As the Lemmyverse grows and instances get big, precautions may happen. We will keep monitoring the situation closely, and if in the future we deem it safe, we would gladly reallow these communities. The discussions that have happened in various threads on Lemmy make it very clear that removing the communites before we announced our intent to remove them is not the level of transparency the community expects, and that as stewards of this community we need to be extremely transparent before we do this again in the future as well as make sure that we get feedback around what the planned changes are, because lemmy.world is yours as much as it is ours.

Show threadpankuleczkaplAug 15, 2023
These communities are not even hosted on lemmy.world, this is an absurdly overreacted response. There were no signs of any legal trouble and I can’t understand how lemmy.world specifically would be the target of such legal action. If you want to host an instance, you should do everything in your power to allow discussions on any topic, while in necessary cases disallowing direct posting/linking of illegal content. Instead, you chose to block a community that has long been known to avoid having any trouble with the moderators.
Show threadlwadminAug 15, 2023

Doesn’t matter if they are hosted here or not. The way federation works is that threads on different instances are cached locally.

We have NO issues with the people at db0 - we are just looking out for ourselves in a ‘better safe than sorry’ fashion while we find out more. As mentioned in the OP we would like to unblock as soon as we know we can not get in any legal trouble.

Show threadMaalusAug 15, 2023
Soo ultimately you personally will be the only person determining what people can and can’t see, based on your perception alone. You don’t like something, you’ll ban it. You worry about something, you’ll ban it. And there won’t be a trace without you saying “we banned something”. Which means there are no checks at all to you powertripping in the future. How is this supposed to be free, open and general then? This is even worse than reddit was.
Show threadGBU_28Mar 11, 2024
It’s their house, you’re just visiting. If they are concerned, there’s no one else to help. If they get in trouble, will you be stepping in to help them? No.
Show threadMaalusMar 11, 2024
Once you start hosting an instance that has open registration, it’s not just “their house” anymore. They are providing a service to people. They do so willingly. Arbitrairly blocking instances because you don’t know how something works and don’t bother to check it isn’t the way to host a free and open instance.
Show threadGBU_28Mar 11, 2024

Nah, their box, their responsibility, their rules. They could shut it off tomorrow, ban people randomly, change what posts are allowed, federate as they choose. We can’t do shit, and that’s fine cause we can each make our own instance or join another

Edit Any assumption you have durable rights or privileges is just untrue.

Yes, they offer access willingly, as in “at their will”

Edit would a downvoter be able to refute me? Are we in some sort of contracted relationship with instance admins?

Show threadmichaelmroseApr 23, 2024
They CAN do all of those things but people would be right to critique them for it. Freedom isn’t freedom from criticism or complaint. Furthermore they want this to be a functional community as much as their users do which is why this discussion even exists.
Show threadGBU_28Apr 23, 2024

That doesn’t refute anything I said. Their house, their rules.

You can criticize mom for setting a bedtime, but you must go to bed.

Show threadmichaelmroseApr 23, 2024
The discussion is not whether they can set those rules its should they and should we keep participating
Show threadGBU_28

Regarding your first point, there is no discussion, they can do whatever they want, they are omnipotent on that.

Regarding your second, that’s absolutely fair game.

Apr 23, 2024 at 4:20pmWeb
Show threadmichaelmroseApr 23, 2024

Once you start hosting an instance that has open registration, it’s not just “their house” anymore. They are providing a service to people. They do so willingly. Arbitrairly blocking instances because you don’t know how something works and don’t bother to check it isn’t the way to host a free and open instance.

You seem to be uniquely bad at reading so this is comment is the start of this subthread. Nobody ever suggested they COULDN’T implement any rule they please. It was never a point anyone brought up for you to be refuting. It is literally you dishonestly trying to steer the discussion away from the actual point of discussing SHOULD they.

Show threadGBU_28Apr 23, 2024

No, I discussed a facet of the larger concept, which requires basic critical thinking to acknowledge.

I am not obligated to address all features of the topic, and that is not dishonest.

Edit I specifically refuted the topic of “once you host, it’s not your house”. Bullshit. It’s 100% their house and that’s the end of the line.