Chill Dude 69Maybe it's the hot air coming up from the subway. Or out of your fucking mouth.
breadsmasherHumidity changing temperature feel?
Yeah. Uh-huh. Humidity will indeed make 81 degrees feel like 90 degrees. But there’s high humidity in Dallas and Houston and all of Florida, too. And it starts at the real 108. At that point, it’s not even worth it to calculate how hot it feels, because of the humidity.
Sure, Nevada and Arizona don’t have the humidity. But they’ll get to 115-120.
But I guarantee, there will STILL be New Yorkers coming into this thread, pitching weir ideas about how the buildings still make it seem even hotter than that, somehow.
I’m a Canadian who hates all temperatures above 60, and I’ll tell you that humidity always matters. I had the luxury of traveling to Phoenix in July, and that was still more tolerable than anywhere that was 20 degrees cooler but 100% more humid. Heat isn’t so bad when sweating still works.
Okay, then maybe the hot and dry areas in the West aren’t as bad. But in Texas and Florida, it regularly goes up above 105 and it’s 100 percent humidity, for long stretches of time. Basically 100 percent of the time, in Florida.
the luxury of traveling to Phoenix in July
I once had a July layover in Moon Moon airport, as I like to call the ridiculously named travesty that is “Sky Harbor Airport” and went up to the roof to smoke. I’m telling you, going out towards the edge where it was more windy was like standing in a fucking blast furnace!
Add that, after getting maybe an hour of sleep since it was hotter than Beelzebub’s butthole, I missed three flights because their self check in machines couldn’t deal with me having a Scandinavian character in my name and they had one customer service worker for every 40,000 travelers and it wasn’t a great first visit to my then GF.
Conclusion: settling Arizona was a mistake.
I mean the heat island effect is real.
But as someone who lives in NYC but grew up in the south: It’s not hotter in NYC.
We just are actually outside, unlike all southerners who don’t do manual labor. Rain or shine, freeze or burn, NYC is in the 100 year old unventilated subway tunnels with trains venting the heat from their ACs in the summer.
It’s not actually hotter.
But if you come to visit in August you’ll sweat more in NYC than August in Dallas.
But if you come to visit in August you’ll sweat more in NYC than August in Dallas
You just HAD to get that last little thing in there, I guess just to prove that you’re a real adopted New Yorker.
I mean, you literally just explained how that’s not true, but you couldn’t resist pushing back on it. Yes, if you go outside in the summer, you’ll be warmer than if you stay inside. I will indeed have to admit that. But if you do the same amount of walking around in Dallas as you do in NYC, in August? You might actually get heatstroke.
Wait. I guess that DOES mean you’ll sweat less. One of the symptoms of advanced heatstroke is a sudden inability to sweat. You die dry as a bone.
I didn’t say hotter, I said you’ll sweat more.
Grew up in the south: I know how little you fuckers go outside. I was one of those fuckers.
AC to AC with the exception of going to the swimming pool/beach/river/lake.
If you’re a manual laborer you’ll sweat more in the south, no doubt. Otherwise?
NYC is the capitol of white collar sweat.
NYC is the capitol of white collar sweat.
Fair enough. I mean, if you have to gerrymander the exact, specific terms that you’re talking about, then yes. I have to agree. Stockbrokers spend more time outside of climate-controlled spaces in NYC, compared to other major cities.
When it comes right down to it, it was simply idiotic to build cities in the hot-as-fuck zones of the planet, to begin with. Even suburbs have heat-bubbles clinging to them, so that we really can’t be outside all that much, without actually risking heatstroke, like I was saying.
As a civilization, it would have made a whole hell of a lot more sense to keep building even more densely in the East. There’s shitloads of land in upstate New York and New Jersey that would have supported more cities. I guess it comes down to the pure, unbridled evil of colonial-era white people. Moving out West and down South, into areas that are literally deadly for three months out of the year was just fine, as long as it was the black and/or brown people being worked to death in the heat.
NYC does empty out a bit in August, but yeah I’ve been in Houston in the summer. People pre cool their cars in their garages and move from one ac island to the next.
Yeah I get to commute in that heat. It’s not fun.
But I’ll keep it over car dependant sprawl any day. I moved from the south to NYC for a reason: and it wasn’t just better job opportunities.
TrickDacyI guarantee, there will STILL be New Yorkers coming into this thread, pitching weird ideas about how the buildings still make it seem even hotter than that, somehow.
No they won’t, and no they haven’t.
Ehhh, we’ve already had a couple “but ackshually” type situations.
Lmao I’ve read all these threads and you’re the one moving the goalposts and doing the most “Well akshaully” stuff in here.
Are you really reading this shit?
They’re ABSOLUTELY moving the goalposts. It’s all these New York motherfuckers talking about “well, you guise don’t actually spend any time outside of the air conditioning.”
The non-goalpost-moving response would just be to say “yep. NYC is not hotter than the South.” And just leave it at that. But nobody can fucking do that, because New Yorkers have a fucking complex about their city NEEDING to be the biggest, the bestest, the mostest at EVERYTHING.
I didn’t see those. I saw people saying “yeah humidity matters but you’re right”
Those guys are fine. It’s the “b-b-b-but y’all southerners don’t actually ever go outside, you’re in the air conditioning all the time” responses that are annoying me.
Just say “yes, NYC isn’t the hottest place” and leave it at that. That would be the non-cringe thing to do. But they CAN’T leave it at that. They’re not physically able to.
maybe you could point to such an example.
it sounds like you just have cultural issues with city dwellers.
I thought you said you went all through the thread? I guess you didn’t. You just lied and said you did. But okay, that’s fine. Here we go:
In the south, you’re probably driving around in an air conditioned vehicle, sitting in an air conditioned house, visiting an air conditioned business. Doubt your spending as little time outside as possible. In NYC, you’re walking all over the fucking place, waiting for a subway car, standing on a platform surrounded by 50 other people, climbing three flights of stairs to get out of the subway station and on to the street where you still need to walk 5 blocks to get where you’re going.
We just are actually outside, unlike all southerners who don’t do manual labor. Rain or shine, freeze or burn, NYC is in the 100 year old unventilated subway tunnels with trains venting the heat from their ACs in the summer…if you come to visit in August you’ll sweat more in NYC than August in Dallas.
AC to AC with the exception of going to the swimming pool/beach/river/lake.
So, again, you’re saying you read all through this thread? And you somehow missed those? Really? Okay.
The expectation was that unless I’d read it again upon return, then I’m a liar?
uh ok.
Also, they make good points. I don’t really get that they are saying it’s hotter in NYC than other places, which is the false claim this post makes to begin with.
The meme is a reference to New Yorkers who really do make a bunch of weird claims that NYC summers are somehow magically hotter than anywhere else, because NYC has to be #1 in EVERY CATEGORY, according to New Yorkers. I don’t have a replay of every conversation I’ve had (or overheard) about that topic, over the last forty fucking years. But it’s been plenty of times.
Also, I don’t have a problem with city-dwellers. I have a problem with NEW YORKERS, in this context. Let’s be clear on that. No other city feels the need to do crap like this. All cities have their specific things they brag about, but they don’t all insist on being the best of ALL THE THINGS.
Maybe London and San Francisco fight about who’s the foggiest. Maybe Detroit and Chicago fight about who’s got the most murderers. Maybe L.A. and Miami and Atlanta fight about who’s got the best hawt summer nightlife. But they don’t ALL SAY THEIR CITY IS THE BIGGEST, GREATEST, BESTEST, MOSTEST AT EVERYTHING.
You know what the sick joke really is? New York City hasn’t really been hot shit since the 1930s. It’s been coasting downhill, ever since. Almost all their great buildings and bridges, almost all their infrastructure, almost all their cultural institutions come from the late 19th and early 20th Centuries. But the superiority complex just keeps on rolling. Watching from the outside, it’s more pitiful than anything, really.
Okay. I don’t really get that. Out of the things I hear new yorkers brag about, they are basically correct. I am not a new yorker, but their pizza, entertainment, and culture is basically what the western world runs on. I know someone who lives in LA who cannot miss a single opportunity to shit on any other city/town. So yeah, I don’t really see the issue here, or if there is one, being unique to NYC.
their pizza
Oh really? Everyone else likes their pizza with toppings. They like it plain cheese style, dripping in disgusting excess grease, and if you don’t fold it in half while you eat it, they will GET ALL UP INTO YOUR FACE. Nobody else folds pizza. It’s not normal behavior.
entertainment
You mean all those movies and shows that get made in HOLLYWOOD? Last time I checked, that sign isn’t overlooking fucking Brooklyn. If it did, it would probably say “Brooklyn” instead of “Hollywood.”
culture
Like what? What culture are you talking about? Sure, some of the great artists and musicians and writers have been from New York. But a lot of them have been from the Midwest and California and the South and the West, too.
New York’s own native culture is basically based on looking down their noses at everyone else on the planet, as if we’re lower creatures. What else do they have? Bodegas? They actually think those goddamn things are a legit cultural element. What even is supposed to be the appeal of those fucking places? All the selection and quality of a fucking Dollar General, with all the prices of DEFINITELY NOT A DOLLAR GENERAL.
Hey, maybe that’s the legendary cultural output you’re talking about. New Yorkers invented the cultural meme of ridiculously, unsustainably, civilization-threateningly inflated prices on basic consumer goods and necessities.
It would obviously be a waste of time to continue here. You have a weird chip on your shoulder about NYC that practically no one else has, outside of rural people who hate cities.
A someone familiar with both… Yeah they’re 100% correct.
Tbf if it reflects off of concrete/asphalt its worse but america has big cities in the south too so that doesnt work.
Exactly.
As an overseas tourist, the worst part was how air conditioning was so overused it turned every inside space into a refrigerator. I once almost fainted while boarding a subway because the station was like over 30C and the car was like 16C. Such extreme and sudden temperature were super stressful on the body. I always dressed in shorts and a tshirt and carried a scarf and sweater but still caught a cold very quickly.
OpenStarsIt makes planning difficult, especially for those who don’t know. I started wearing hats to protect against the downdraft of air, and long sleeve shirts that I could take off or put on at will. I’ve heard Russia is similar in the winter with their water pump heaters being highly efficient indoors but then when you come inside from the outdoors it’s jarring. At least as a tourist you got to experience it firsthand so now you know!:-)
southsamuraiYou don’t catch a cold because of temperature shifts.
At most you might be very, very slightly more vulnerable to infection, but the degree of vulnerability between that and normal levels is absurdly small on any real scale.
You caught a cold because viruses like close up contact with poor ventilation and an immune system that hasn’t encountered the strain before.
Like, I get it, that’s not the real point of what you said, but you could have been naked except for a good mask, and you wouldn’t likely have caught the cold, but no amount of clothing without that mask would prevent it.
Oh yeah that’s true. It still felt like my body was under too much stress for my immune system to work like usual. But who knows
It’s all relative ;P
Annoyed_🦀 I mean if they seriously think it’s hotter than somewhere with warmer climate that is also experiencing heatwave then yeah they’re stupid, but for someone in colder climate, that’s hot.
It’s relative.
No one thinks this, the meme is meant to criticize people by over exaggerating their claims
It’s not a real thing that happens. It’s a scenario the OP made up.
They are talking about how humid heat is worse than dry heat. I’ll take 100°+ Arizona summer over 85° and 90%+ humidity NY summer any day.
I work in a factory on long Island and am surprised I’m not dead yet from the suffocating humidity+ heat combo we get :/
Trying to explain that 25 degrees Celsius in the UK is considered hot doesn’t really work. It’s something you have to experience. Here the perception of heat and how we handle it is so different to elsewhere. For reference today it’s highs of 9 and lows of 4. And it’s nearly the end of April. For context that’s highs of 48F, lows of 39F.
devfuuuYou need to go vacations to the usual place uk people go. Last 3 days were 27 and 28. Not fun. Too hot for barely April.
𝕾𝖕𝖎𝖈𝖞 𝕿𝖚𝖓𝖆It’s all about what you’re acclimated to. I’ve lived with 105 and dry in west Texas AND 90 and swampy in Oklahoma and I’ll take the former. When the dew point hits about 70 degrees, you can sweat and sweat and sweat and sweat and none of it matters because it will almost never evaporate off of you. And 70 is baby humidity. We had a few days last summer where the dew point came up just short of 80. Which can make a 100 degree day yield a heat index of 125+.
And all that humidity really saps your AC’s cooling potential. It spends most of its energy pulling moisture from the air instead of actually making the air cool enough to be much use. It’ll be 80 degrees and swampy inside your house too, especially if it’s older construction. Nobody ever mentions this when talking about dry heat vs wet heat. If you can keep your indoor dew point below 60, you’re doing alright.
I’ll take this over Florida or Houston. We start to get some real relief by Labor Day and it’s usually gone entirely by Halloween.
Bit of a tangent, but I find it funny that Americans complain about it being hot when they have AC in most of their buildings, but then mock people complaining about a 40C/105F heatwave with relatively high humidity in countries where AC is anything but standard and sometimes with houses which are designed to keep the heat in during the winter meaning it can easily reach 45C/115F or more inside.
I assume it'll happen again this summer, with the usual Marie Antionette level "let them use AC" comments, not seeming to grasp the environmental and financial cost of AC everywhere.
Some of us here are paying attention and are aware of the situation. We just aren’t all that common, unfortunately. You hear the same thing come up like clockwork when someone brings up the heat waves and wild fires in the PNW.
TBH I assume assume the least informed and biggest arseholes dominate discussions.
The rest of the world is simply lucky that our biggest and dumbest arseholes don't speak English too well.
HubertMannethere is definately a stifling effect you get a large metro over an open small town or country. Heck could even tell a difference coming home to a suburban area after being downtown. All the asphalt and concrete really soaks up the heat.
Live in NH, took a trip to Flagstaff AZ once. Phoenix was like 110 degrees, and it was so surreal. Like, it was super hot, but not unbearably uncomfortable. We weren’t ever out of AC long, hopping between buildings to vehicles etc, but I distinctly remember thinking about how easy it would be to get scary dehydrated. Flagstaff was high 80’s, sometimes low 90’s and felt fucking amazing. When we got home to high 70’s and humidity I felt like I was going to die, it was the worst.
Patapon EnjoyerJust agree with them and say NYC sucks
RubberElectronsNYC doesn’t, but enjoy your stinky little corner haha.
Patrician NYC enjoyer. There is no other city where you can both pick up a good bagel on the corner and also say badda boom and get a badda bing back in no time
It isn't the heat so much as the stench.
When a man is tired of Ankh-Morpork, he is tired of ankle-deep slurry.
Ey. We gotta have something to complain about, if nothing else.
Keep cool during the day, live it up at night. Nothing like summer in the city.
I was skeptical at first, but “Pepe via solstice” DOES sound like it would be very uncomfortable…
In the south, you’re probably driving around in an air conditioned vehicle, sitting in an air conditioned house, visiting an air conditioned business. You’re spending as little time outside as possible. In NYC, you’re walking all over the fucking place, waiting for a subway car, standing on a platform surrounded by 50 other people, climbing three flights of stairs to get out of the subway station and on to the street where you still need to walk 5 blocks to get where you’re going.
See, a lot of people are saying variations of this. And that’s fine. I agree.
The thing is, I’ve never heard any of this before. Usually, it’s a bunch of unhinged rambling, about how New York’s heat bubble is more effective, or something about the tall buildings funneling the heat or the humidity through the urban canyons, something about the air from the subway, etc. Oh, and there’s ALWAYS some shit about humidity, as if New York City is somehow more humid than Houston.
It’s not. They’re both on the fucking water. Humidity is humidity. Water in the air. We get it. NYC doesn’t have special water.
Seattle is humid but never sticky or uncomfortable. Dew point matters kids!
Seattle is humid but never sticky or uncomfortable
Yet. Climate change is a seven-titted bitch demon.
That doesn’t make 81F hotter than 108F.
That’s obvious, but the sentence implies that we are talking about the experience of living in those temperatures in those places, you know, as a human and not just a computer comparing two numbers that are larger or smaller.
As a human, living in 108F is hotter than living in 81F and it is because one number is larger than the other.
The point they’re making is that folks aren’t typically experiencing 108 as a significant part of their lives, because they’re oftentimes shuttling around from air conditioned refuge to air conditioned refuge. There is minimum discomfort because if you don’t have AC you legitimately might die.
However at 81 and humid, plenty of places could lack ac. 81 and humid can still be uncomfortable, so as you live life you can experience more discomfort.