Is it cruel to extinguish a person who self-immolates? If they live they will have tremendous pain and suffering.

https://sh.itjust.works/post/18106814

Is it cruel to extinguish a person who self-immolates? If they live they will have tremendous pain and suffering. - sh.itjust.works

I read that the police were extinguishing the guy who set himself on fire yesterday only two minutes after it began. Obviously, the guy did not want to live. Putting out the fire so quickly does not ease his suffering and would only increase it if he were to live. As long as nothing else is at risk of catching fire perhaps it would be best to stay away. What do you think?

police were extinguishing the guy

Obviously, the guy did not want to live.

Human life is to be protected, rescued etc. in all cases.

We need to stay absolutely clear with that, because everything else creates terrible moral problems, for you and all the people around.

And if you want to start thinking such thoughts right there in a situation, it costs way too much valuable time.

Exceptions need to have very clear and very strict rules and the responsible persons (doctors for example) need to be educated properly.

I don’t disagree with you entirely but there are some areas that do have defined societal rules where life saving is not the legal obligation. Now, this varies by state (some have samaritan laws) but many places you are not under a legal obligation to administer life saving aid. For example, providing CPR in areas considered medical backcountry.

I think it’s already a mixed bag and the default position is not “protect/rescue human life in all cases” legally. Morally I would say it’s a personal decision, I know I would most of the time in scenarios I can think of but obviously there are scenarios I can’t think of.

My point is it’s already murky and there are already exceptions.

Edit: actually the more that I think about it the more exceptions I can find your thesis. The first thing they teach you in First Aid/Cpr and the reason my entire class failed and we had to redo a 10 minute exercise to pass is that the #1 priority is your own safety. You have to secure the scene. If saving someone requires endangering yourself you are CLEARLY and unambiguously told to not attempt life saving aid until you can minimize or eliminate risks to yourself. Also see: Yellowstone hotspring rescue attempts, river rescue attempts, etc.

So again, nothing is clear and human life is not to be protected as a rule in “all” cases. EMS and police are not even obligated to save anyone in all cases.

There are no Good Samaritan laws anywhere that require life saving aid.

They only go so far as to require that you alert emergency services; (though not every state goes that far.)

What Good Samaritan laws really do is provide protections as long as you’re stay to reasonable actions.

For example, it’s common for CPR to crack ribs. Without these protections, you’d be liable for that. (For the record, even if you do want to help; etc, always check to see if it’s safe first. Be selfish. You can’t save shit if you’re a body on the ground, too.)