To make clear at the start: I do not intend to denigrate anyone with this post, or anyone's efforts. I have a genuine question which has puzzled me since I first went off to explore Lemmy and Pixelfed.

What purpose do people think that they serve in the Fediverse?

When I first asked, people told me that Lemmy served as an alternative to Reddit and indeed lemmy.world describes itself as "the World's Internet Frontpage". But Reddit exists solely because of the sheer amount of users it houses. Reddit stands as the poster child for user-generated content whereas lemmy.world has less than 8K users a day.

Pixelfed has a similar very-poor-cousin relationship to Instagram. If you have a keen desire for the world to see your images then Instagram will scratch that itch much better than Pixelfed. Posting your images here might also attract more attention, since the pool of possible viewers seems much, much larger.

The biggest group I found on Lemmy? Mastodon.lemmy.world ! I found several posts there like this: "[mastodon] is like making an entire post out of a throwaway comment. That's what I saw on mastodon, didn't choose to participate." At the very least this serves to demonstrate that different people have wildly different experiences on Mastodon because that bears no relationship to my experiences.

In the world of Big Tech people start new social media because they think they see a gap in a market, or a way of splitting off some users of a current platform into their all-new shiny silo. Here, though, everything can live alongside everything else, hence my question: what functions do Lemmy, Pixelfed, and others serve that Mastodon doesn't?

I think I do understand the function of some projects like Bookwyrm or Funkwhale. They have very specific goals: much more specific than "sharing media" or "discussing in threads", for example, both of which can happen in Mastodon. Their design highlights these differences.

I understand that I could well have missed the point completely here, and hence my question. I joined Lemmy and Pixelfed wanting to participate but the level of traffic seemed too low to generate the interaction I had hoped for. Did I look in the wrong places, or did I fail to notice the action, or did I look too early? (When I first joined Mastodon it seemed empty. Now it certainly doesn't.)

Let me give a concrete example. I have a fifteen year project for which I take a single photo every day. Should I post it here or on Pixelfed? What difference would it make? Does it matter?

And finally, as part of looking into Lemmy I explored a lot of apps. If you like Ice Cubes for Mastodon and want to explore Lemmy then I recommend Artic.

#mastodon #lemmy #fediverse #pixelfed #artic

@Owen what functions do Lemmy, Pixelfed, and others serve that Mastodon doesn't?
For starters, Lemmy, the other Threadiverse projects and several other Fediverse server applications, e.g. Friendica and its descendants Hubzilla and (streams) have one technological advantage over Mastodon when it comes to discussions:

They have a proper concept of conversations. They distinguish between a start post and a reply or comment, and they make use of the "context" attribute on the latter to reference the start post of a thread. This makes it possible to tie discussion threads like in a forum or on Reddit together.

In addition, they always deliver all replies in a thread to all participants in the same thread. No mentions needed. This makes it possible for everyone to easily follow a discussion without having to rely on everyone mentioning everyone or keep looking up the start post at its source.

Mastodon doesn't do either. Mastodon mimics 𝕏 with all its shortcomings, and 𝕏 doesn't have any comparable functionality, and such functionality wouldn't be microblogging, so Mastodon doesn't have it either. Just like everything is the same kind of tweet on 𝕏, everything is the same kind of toot on Mastodon, and it relies on mentions and an out-dated, deprecated OStatus tag that doesn't even exist in ActivityPub to tie directly related posts together.

Thus, meaningful discussions between more than two participants are easily possible on Lemmy, /kbin, Mbin, PieFed, Sublinks, Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) etc., but on Mastodon and the other "Twitter clones", they require the users jumping through hoops, if they work at all.

Also, discussion groups. Lemmy, /kbin, Mbin, PieFed, Sublinks, Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) etc. have had them since their respective inception. Mastodon doesn't because 𝕏 doesn't, and groups aren't microblogging. The Mastodon devs are said to be working on implementing groups, but I expect that to become a dirty hack that's incompatible with the rest of the Fediverse. In the meantime, Mastodon users need external, third-party solutions like Guppe, now-defunct Chirp or Friendica.

Mastodon users try to use Mastodon as the all-purpose Swiss army knife of the Fediverse. Mastodon itself tries to market itself as the perfect, fully-featured, one-size-fits-all jack-of-all-trades solution in the Fediverse that lets you do everything you want to do. At the same time, however, Mastodon tries to hold on to its idea of purist microblogging, and it has to struggle with the consequences of having done so all the time.

The only way the Mastodon folks can hope to push their agenda through is by:
  • presenting Mastodon as the Fediverse proper, especially to newbies
  • shielding Mastodon users from the existence of other Fediverse projects; at least some other projects show which project a post or comment came from
  • brainwashing Mastodon users into the opinion that the Fediverse is all about microblogging and shouldn't have more/better features than what vanilla Mastodon offers
  • making the rest of the Fediverse look bad to Mastodon users by intentionally making Mastodon incompatible with the rest of the Fediverse, thus giving the impression that it's everything else in the Fediverse that's "broken"

I joined Lemmy and Pixelfed wanting to participate but the level of traffic seemed too low to generate the interaction I had hoped for. Did I look in the wrong places, or did I fail to notice the action, or did I look too early?
Sadly, there are lots of Lemmy communities in which hardly anything happens. They've got hundreds of subscribers who, however, don't interact with the community. There's often only one user who occasionally posts stuff, but absolutely nobody ever replies to anything.

If you happen to be interested in a catalogue of Lemmy communities, try the one on Lemmyverse. Or if you're specifically looking for an active community, try c/Fediverse.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #Threadiverse #Lemmy #kbin #/kbin #Mbin #PieFed #Sublinks #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams)
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@jupiter_rowland thank you for that long and extremely thoughtful post. Not only did you answer the questions that I posed, you also answered some questions that I didn’t know or think enough to pose.

I had indeed looked at Friendica when I first began exploring but opted for Mastodon instead. And the instance where I reside permits very lengthy posts which strikes me as essential.

I will think about what you have posted and look at Friendica again.

If I could upvote you then I would 😂

@Owen
If I could upvote you then I would 😂
Looks like you did anyway.