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@janrosenow @semoxenaar @RegulatoryAssistanceProject Use has barely declined. But production has collapsed. This is not a good trend to see. It means greater dependency on outside regimes, such as Russia. It's NIMBYism at its worst. In the middle of a war.

@nafnlaus @janrosenow @semoxenaar @RegulatoryAssistanceProject Well, I'd be pretty NIMBY too when the gas production caused earthquakes that ruined my house to the point it's declared unlivable...

It's political suicide to reopen the gasfields in Groningen.
The other place we could get gas from is the Wadden sea, but it's protected nature that would be endangered by the sinking of the ground.

@nafnlaus So really production is low because we don't have big gasfields anymore that are out of the way

@diondokter You very much do, you just choose not to use them.

That is not a natural decline curve. That curve is a political decision.

https://dvhn.nl/groningen/Groningers-steunen-opendraaien-gaskraan-27515897.html

@diondokter @diondokter You very much do, you just choose not to use them.

That is not a natural decline curve. That curve is a political decision. Even the residents of Groningen support more extraction even *without* greater compensation.

Up compensation from the pathetic 0,33% of revenue, and support would be even higher.

You think producing fossil fuels has no impacts when it doesn't happen within your borders? Sorry, but that's the very definition of NIMBY.

Inwoners aardbevingsgebied Groningen: gaskraan open om Poetin en Rusland te dwarsbomen | DVHN enquête

De gaswinning in Groningen verhogen om minder afhankelijk te zijn van Rusland. Een meerderheid van de Groningers is voor het verder opendraaien van de gaskraan. Mensen uit het aardbevingsgebied zijn daar zelfs nog iets meer bereid toe dan mensen buiten het bevingsgebied.

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@diondokter If you want to keep consuming gas but not producing it, you're a hypocrite.

And if you want to stop being called a hypocrite for doing so, stop being a hypocrite.

If you switch from being a net exporter to a net importer at a time where Russia is blackmailing Europe and profiting hand over fist on gas exports, you're supporting autocracy and ethnic cleansing.

And if you don't want to be called out for that, then stop doing it.

@diondokter And for the record: a 3,1 magnitude earthquake, yet alone the various 2-point-something magnitude quakes, is *pathetically small*. I live in Iceland; we get earthquakes all the time. You'd be lucky if you even noticed a 3,1 magnitude quake.

@diondokter (Cue a dozen "damage" pictures of the same pre-1900 cafe (part of an 1865 corn mill) that was gutted in a fire in 2003), cause, you know, totally modern construction and maintenance standards there...)

@diondokter The TL/DR: I know you don't want to be judged for this. But you absolutely WILL be judged for this, because what you're doing is boosting Russia in the middle of an invasion of Europe.

@nafnlaus Russia is not really having a boost though because. They made lots more money before the war from their gas export

@diondokter I guess that means you better keep funding them, because what a brilliant idea it was to fund them war, let alone to keep doing so now, right?

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Reiner Jung 🇬🇱 🇺🇦 🇪🇺Apr 16, 2024

@nafnlaus @diondokter the best way to go is to phase out natural gas all together, like Denmark, utilizing bio gas and heat pumps.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/703645/natural-gas-consumption-denmark/

Denmark: natural gas consumption 2022 | Statista

Natural gas consumption in Denmark amounted to 1.7 billion cubic meters in 2022, a decrease compared to the previous year.

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@prefec2 @diondokter Yep, 100% agree!

But until then...

@nafnlaus Iceland is pretty rocky, right? The ground probably doesn't sink there.

Also, the buildings were probably built with earthquakes in mind. In Groningen none of the buildings are. So earthquakes, even light ones, combined with the sinking ground wreaks havoc.

@diondokter Iceland is a very diverse country, including, among other things, lots of swamps and marshes. Actually our land is unusually prone to liquefaction, due to allophane.

The main difference is that we don't have a bunch of 150 year old brick buildings that wouldn't remotely stand a modern building code and would probably start falling down at some point soon anyway.

(We're not talking "a modern building code for places with earthquakes" - we're talking *any* modern building code).

https://www.google.is/maps/@53.326509,6.5268586,5689m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu

@diondokter
Drop a pin on Google Streetview in Winsum (epicentre of the quakes) and start driving around. Pray tell, exactly how much damage do you see?

But OMG, quick, send photographers down to some ancient, weakly-built farmhouse or whatnot with limited life left in it regardless....

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@nafnlaus yes, I do think producing gas in some desert, empty plains or at sea has less impact than doing that in one of the most densely populated countries.

Also that article was during the start of the Russian invasion. I'd be surprised if the sentiment was still the same. There is protest when politicians want to keep the wells open 'just in case' without pumping gas

@diondokter Except if you lived in that desert or plains or by that sea you'd define it as a "nature reserve" and say we shouldn't drill there either, and indeed, already did with *your* sea. And again: you're *funding expansionist autocracies who are currently invading Europe*.

And are we seriously going to try this "densely populated" thing when talking about Groningen, a largely agricultural area?

@diondokter "Also that article was during the start of the Russian invasion. I'd be surprised if the sentiment was still the same."

Oh, I guess financially supporting the invasion of Europe and the overthrow of a democracy of tens of millions of people and the ethnic cleansing of their people, culture, and language suddenly got okay within the past two years.

I'll reiterate also that these numbers are with residents getting a mere 0,33% of the gas revenue.