come chat with us online, your options are:

- unencrypted faang client
- other unencrypted faang client
- other other unencrypted faang client
- encrypted faang client that is likely backdoored
- $20 profile microtransactions and constantly changing UX
- client with optional encryption and requires a phone number
- encrypted by default client that also requires a phone number
- 35 year old protocol lacking a lot of QOL features that people still use for some reason
- 25 year old protocol that nobody can agree on which extensions to use
- "unable to decrypt message"

@Jenetrix I've written telegram support multiple times because my newly bought sim card number was apparently already in use or something

no answer to this day

@MiaWinter @Jenetrix telegram support is basically non-existent. if they didn't answer you within 24h after your first message – they probably never will.

i sure hope this will improve once they start making a profit and can focus on users instead of staying afloat...
@teidesu @Jenetrix has any chatapp ever made a profit tho?
@MiaWinter @Jenetrix well uhh discord does i suppose
@teidesu @Jenetrix yea but they had to throw in the kitchen sink in order to make any money
@teidesu @MiaWinter @Jenetrix they make money?
i thougth they just raise some venture capital every few years and are loosing money every other time

@teidesu @Jenetrix personally, I only need it for some groups, I prefer signal

(but I'm also a biased german)

@MiaWinter @Jenetrix most of my online presence has been in telegram for almost 5 years already, so uhh
signal sucks because literally nobody is on there + there are like 0 features that i use daily in tg

the fact that it's not e2e by default tbh makes sense because it's cloud-first. there isn't really a way to seamlessly sync private keys across clients, and there isn't a way to recover it if you have no devices logged in left.
which are like, a big part why telegram is actually good.

(but im also a biased russian)
@MiaWinter @Jenetrix A less-well-understood address depletion scenario. 😔
@MiaWinter @Jenetrix I would strongly recommend *against* using Telegram if you're concerned about government-level surveillance. They seem to be aligned with Putin, and I'm not just saying that because they're Russian. The founder and owner Pavel Durov recently interviewed US fake journalist and Putin stooge Tucker Carlson, and even before that the security experts I know warned against using Telegram.

@jamesmarshall @Jenetrix a lot of local groups and gay people use it, that's my only usecase

And I'm not really concerned about russia spying on my yuri tbh