‘The 401(k) industry owns Congress’: How lawmakers quietly passed a $300 billion windfall to the wealthy

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‘The 401(k) industry owns Congress’: How lawmakers quietly passed a $300 billion windfall to the wealthy - Lemmy.World

Greased by lobbying and campaign cash, tax breaks for retirement savings are one thing Congress agrees on. But they also blow out the deficit and add to income inequality. Five months before Congress faced a near-catastrophic standoff over the debt ceiling, with Republicans demanding restrictions to food and Medicaid programs to rein in spending, a bill that raised the cost of private retirement savings accounts to $282 billion per year was quietly signed into law. In this era of deeply divided politics, the 2022 bill known as Secure 2.0 was hailed as a bipartisan success — a victory for average Americans. It had sailed through the House by a whopping 414-5 vote. It followed four other major bills passed between 1996 and 2019 that dramatically expanded taxpayer savings – all equally lauded as bipartisan victories. But that rare issue that brought a divided Washington together also increased wealth disparities and the federal deficit. And the victory was most strongly applauded by the burgeoning financial services industry, for whom tax-advantaged retirement savings has transformed a $7 trillion retirement market in 1995 to a $38.4 trillion behemoth in 2023.

Multiple times, people here on Lemmy have assumed I have a 401(k), as if it’s something everyone has, and it always amuses me.
It probably is something you should have after a certain age. If not a work supplied 401k, then at least your own managed Roth IRA. And if you’re still on the younger side, it’s perfectly understandable not to have a 401k yet.
From where should I have gotten the money to invest in it?
Well if you stopped buying frivolous items like GROCERIES you’d frivolous plenty to invest. Then you could enjoy your retirement for a comfortable 3 years before going back to work

We were talking to my daughter about this just yesterday. It’s not even groceries. People think that if you spend $30 or $40 a month on things that make you and those you love happy, you’ll never save enough to make yourself marginally more comfortable in the last 10-20 years of your life (if you’re lucky) that will be uncomfortable no matter what.

So I suppose maybe if I denied myself and my child every pleasure in life, sure, I could put money in a 401(k). That is not something I would do and I certainly do not think it’s a good lesson to teach a child. I’m sure someone will call that some sort of “live for today” or YOLO attitude rather than not giving your child the most miserable childhood you can.

I promise you, if you put that $30/month into your own IRA, you’ll make her a lot happier when she doesn’t have to support you when she’s grown up.

The problem isn’t spending a little to make you or your family happy, it’s spending for consumable things today, that’s going to put you at a huge disadvantage later.

I get it, I have two kids, it’s fucking expensive. But you know what’s even more expensive? Taking care of old people.

“I know you want that doll, honey, but I’ve put the money for it into an IRA and it will make you a lot happier when you don’t have to support me when you’re grown up.” You do you with your kids, I’m going to get mine things that will make her happy.

And she already knows she has no obligation to support me. I’ve made that clear to her.

Do you really think she’s just going to let you starve and live on the street?

And yes, that’s exactly what you say. Funny how it’s not things that make kids happy, it’s spending time with them. Reading to my daughter her favorite book for the 1000th time is much more enjoyable than just buying her a new doll.

You bought her a book? When you could have put that money in a Roth IRA?

You’re clearly an abusive parent!

You’re saying you only have enough extra money each month for either a book or that book’s value in retirement savings?

And assuming that’s their life situation as well?

I’m the one being told that it’s either buy a child a toy or invest in retirement.
Not by anyone in this thread.

Me:

People think that if you spend $30 or $40 a month on things that make you and those you love happy, you’ll never save enough to make yourself marginally more comfortable in the last 10-20 years of your life (if you’re lucky) that will be uncomfortable no matter what.

You:

I promise you, if you put that $30/month into your own IRA, you’ll make her a lot happier when she doesn’t have to support you when she’s grown up.

Me:

“I know you want that doll, honey, but I’ve put the money for it into an IRA and it will make you a lot happier when you don’t have to support me when you’re grown up.” You do you with your kids, I’m going to get mine things that will make her happy.

You:

And yes, that’s exactly what you say. Funny how it’s not things that make kids happy, it’s spending time with them. Reading to my daughter her favorite book for the 1000th time is much more enjoyable than just buying her a new doll.

So yeah, you did say either buy a child a toy or invest in retirement.

No I didnt.
Okay, well, you can do the whole “what are you going to believe, me or your own eyes?” thing, but I still quoted what you said.
No you didn’t.
Really? This is what you’re going with? That I didn’t actually copy and paste directly from what you said when anyone can just scroll up and see that I did?

Dude, there are more than just you and me here :)

I didn’t say any of those things. That was someone else.

However, in that case, the starting premise appears to have been you saying that there is only $30-40…no, nevermind. This is why I replied with short replies before. I really don’t care enough about arguing on the Internet about this. Whatever it was, you’re right. I said those things and everyone thinks whatever it was.