@lovelylovely

unfortunately it's often they go to another state and get an abortion, or secretly take a pill

then they loudly announce abortion is a vile sin

that's the republican way: utter hypocrisy

if pressed on the topic, it's "my abortion is ok and your abortion is wrong"

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-women-who-leave-anti-abortion-picket-lines-to-get-abortions

the question on abortion is not how to engage people with different views

the question is how to engage immoral people who represent views they wish to enforce on others, but not themselves

The Women Who Leave Anti-Abortion Picket Lines to Get Abortions

The rank and file of the so-called pro-life movement is full of people who need reproductive care—even if it means literally leaving a protest outside a clinic to ask for it.

The Daily Beast
@benroyce @lovelylovely
"the question is how to engage immoral people who represent views they wish to enforce on others, but not themselves"
My immediate question is why bother? Unless you mean "engage the enemy".

@Threadbane @lovelylovely

well yeah, i'm not speaking as in we're going to fundamentally change the nature of indecent people

i'm talking about understanding your enemy, as you said