As the Internet Gets Scarier, More Parents Keep Their Kids’ Photos Offline
Here's a non-paywalled link to an article published in the Washington Post a few days ago. It's great to see this kind of thing getting some mainstream attention. Young children have not made an informed decision about whether they want their photos posted online.
My friends keep my photos offline too.
Anything that’s genuinely good, is good in more ways than just “for the children”.
There’s plenty of reasons to want to share images of your offspring besides chasing internet clout, and I find that simplification ignores all but the narcisistic fame chasers that will never care anyway.
Not making any judgement on whether any other reason is particularly valid. Just saying that the people who do it for likes are never going to see it as anything negative or exploitative. Better off talking with or working to stop the people oversharing for other reasons. Higher chance of success.
There’s plenty of reasons to want to share images of your offspribg besides chasing internet clout.
… I can only think of one, sharing photos with your family and a few select friends.
What other reasons are there?
The problem with posting pictures of kids in closed groups is that pervs will just join those groups because they have what they’re looking for. You’re basically making it easier for them.
It’s not that parents are afraid of their kids being part of a training set, though that is a bad thing in and of itself. It’s more about all of these AI undressing app ads that are showing up on every social media site, showing just how much of a wild-west situation things currently are, and that this brand of sexual exploitation is in-demand.
Predators are already automating the process so that certain Instagram models get the AI undressing treatment as soon as they upload an exploitable pic. Pretty trivial to do at scale with Instaloader, GroundingDINO, SAM, and SD. Those pics are hosted outside of Instagram where victims have no power to undo the damage. Kids will get sexually exploited in this process, incidentally or intentionally.
I believe by closed groups they mean the family or friends chat with like 5 people.
Although I personally wouldn’t share too much in those groups too.
Yes, closed-source, unencrypted and hosted by a party you can “trust”. Anyone can write that they are a parent and care for your privacy.
Managing digital photos is quite hard to do reliably.
Where do you store them? Optical disc, it might get mushrooms; HDD, mechanism might fail; SSD or flash, this one’s better but it might get corrupted, and so on.
Cloud services provide a convenient solution to all this, than apart from the service going down (which is less likely) have no other issues. You can also access them wherever you are.
Privacy is an important concern. It would be nice to have them encrypted on cloud. Encrypted from a local and trusted (open source) client, that is also convenient. If each time I want to show a photo to my granny I have to download and gpg a file manually, I pass.
But most people don’t care about their privacy at all anyways, so why bother.
Optical disc, it might get mushrooms
Um... what?
Syncthing!
Android Phone/Linux/Windows/Mac/iOS clients. Simply sync your photos to all of your devices, if you only have the one device, use a trusted friend and cross sync…
Don’t bother with cloud.
Sounds easy.
To make local backups I have to do them on schedule, transfer all photos (or rsync them) from all devices to backup media. To have some redundancy I have to make a copy (unless you got a RAID NAS at home that is). In this situation you’ll have a backup as recent as your sync frequency. To access the backups you have to browse the files on the drive, if it’s a NAS, it can be quite convenient, but not if it’s any other kind of storage.
Compare this to for example Google Photos backup. You take a photo, you have Internet connection, it’s synchronized. You don’t worry about redundancy, and can access the photo wherever you are with a very nice app.
This is basically the method I use:
For most people just worried about photos I would assume that’s enough
If it’s not fully automatic I won’t stick with it
I share my photos with friends and family using a normal webhost.
I used to upload my artsy photos to DeviantArt, but a year ago I had enough with how slow it had become, so I set up my own small lightweight website using a simple HTML/CSS menu and galleries generated by digiKam that also uses very light jacascript for navigation.
It is blazingly fast and private enough for me.
Until its used to train AI
Not to mention it is probably getting archived by the internet archive (no hate for the internet archive I think its a great idea)
Storing offline is great and all, but I hope everyone is storing on multiple disks at multiple locations…
Yer didn’t think so, I’m sure photos are being lost.
Here in Belgium it’s been pretty much the norm, both in friends groups or in institutions like schools that ask more formally, that one does not post photos online without the consent of all participants, including that of kids and their guardians. This is particularly the case for sharing publicly e.g Facebook post but also WhatsApp group.
It’s a mess but habits are changing at scale.
Is the internet scarier?
Or is it just millennials and “internet natives” having kids and more of them knowing better what the internet actually is.
I tell people to imagine a public place with everyone in it, the majority wearing masks or costumes. With constantly recording surveillance. Do you take off your mask.
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