Nice. I’d love to know that he suffered every injury inflicted on the wolf, but doubled.

On the one hand, I’m happy to see fellow vegans all stand up against animal abuse, even though what was done to this wolf wasn’t anywhere near the level of horror carnists inflict on factory farmed animals.

On the other hand, I’m not sure I can get on the bandwagon of inflicting double the suffering these animals experience to the non-vegans that cause it (either by doing it themselves, or paying someone else to do it for them because of their delicate sensibilities).

Firstly because I don’t think a sentient being can experience that much suffering without literally dying to shock (these creatures have their limbs ripped off, skin tore off, sit in their own shit and piss day in and day out, etc.) so doubling that and doing it to non-vegans would essentially just be the same as mass-killing non-vegans.

Secondly, I’m not sure that retributive justice is even the path. Like yes, make abuse and paying for others to abuse on your behalf illegal, no doubt. But a lot of carnists would stop if it was illegal. Only the ones that subvert the system and go to the black market to continue their abuse would have to be jailed to force them to stop abuse.

Once they’re not a threat anymore, what’s the value of inflicting more harm?

You don’t need to promote your ideals here. Find a soapbox somewhere more appropriate.

Fuck anyone who is cruel to animals.

People in slaughterhouses are cruel to animals. But you don’t care about that, so you don’t actually believe what you’re saying.

What you mean to say is “fuck anyone who is cruel to animals [that I prefer]”. Be honest.

Now isn’t the time to double down on veganism.

I don’t follow, are you making a normative claim against veganism or against the framing of some specific topic as a means of activism?

If it’s the former, feel free to expand. If it’s the latter, I don’t really give a shit. It’s not my responsibility to placate peoples’ delicate rationalizations. I suppose if you had hard evidence on the effectiveness of different forms of engagement, I’d be interested in hearing it, but you don’t. I have convinced a dozenish people IRL to be vegan at this point, and I have no way of knowing how many online.

No. I’m saying this specific comment section, in this particular reply chain, where you’ve already been told to fuck off once, isn’t the most effective place to spread your message.

Also I’m literally drinking my breakfast soylent right now, maybe don’t assume every single person you talk to is ideologically opposed to you. It makes you come off like a real pissbaby.