A lurch? It’s a tectonic shift!

They’ve not been a left wing party since Kinnock, except for the brief Corbyn years. This just seems like a return to Blairite business as usual.

Clearly not a popular opinion on the internet but… Blairite business as usual is actually winning elections and getting a chance to enact reforms as opposed to preaching to the choir with no influence.

I really do hope we get over this idea that if you’re not a direct descendant of Arthur Scargill himself then you’re some sort of right wing pariah. Starmer (or Blair / Brown) might not be to people’s liking but they’re far from the right wing nutters we have had in power for the last fourteen years.

I hope people are realistic and understand that we need at least a parliament to put into place plans to undo the damage the Conservatives have done. Nothing is instant, nothing is cheap.

Edit: Freudian typo.

I’m so glad to see someone else saying this. On the left, we seem so concerned with our ‘perfect’ candidature that we lose elections and let Tory whack jobs run the country.

Let’s get Starmer into potter as hell be a damn sight better than Sunak and then we can work within the party to move things even further left.

> Starmer gets into power. > Everything in the UK stays business as usual. > Starmer doesn’t do anything about it because he’s basically a moderate tory > Tories win all elections for the next 20 years anyway

I massively disagree with everything you have said after your first full stop. Anyone who thinks Starmer is equivalent to Boris or Rishi can’t have been paying much attention to quite how horrific those two have been.

He's comparing him to moderate tories, think Ken Clarke or Rory Stewart.

But they’re not who are in downing street right now.

They didn't say that. They said Starmer is basically a moderate tory, which is accurate.