nekandroColombia's Medellín declares war on sex tourism after US citizen found with two little girls at a hotel
Wtf is wrong with people who are pedos. There must be some chemical imbalance that we should be able to fix by the time kids are 10 and never become pedos. I mean it’s wishful thinking but damn it’s 2024!
AnimoscityI feel like this is a crime that really doesn’t get taken serious enough. There are so many studies showing that someone that was assaulted has a higher chance of continuing the cycle of assault when they are adults because it messes with their brain. There really is no seemingly help for a lot of these fucks are our society is worse off with them.
MentalEdgeIt’s important to note that the attraction to kids, and actually diddling them, are technically separate things.
No sexually normal person has trouble not raping people of the opposite gender, so while research has essentially proven that the condition itself can’t be cured, it doesn’t automatically mean a person also wants to rape.
It’s when those two things go wrong at the same time, that you get a monster.
So basically, teach kids about consent. If you don’t raise a rapist, they’re not gonna end up a child molester, even if they feel the attraction.
Also “fixing it by the time someone is 10” is gonna be difficult. People tend to be attracted to people their own age, so what, is a 14-year-old a pedo if they do something with a classmate?
Oop… ooh boy here we go with the twitter/reddit talking points 😬
There is zero amount of attraction you can have to kids before you become a monster. The only difference between a MAP and a chomo is time.
The fact that you’re ace explains a bit. You simply have no experience with this.
When I was 14, I was horny as hell. My “sex juices” we’re most certainly flowing. I crushed on several girls in school but at that age I was far too awkward to even speak to them. Let alone know what to do with my frustration aside from masturbate.
Not allowing my libido to drive me to hurting someone is the easiest thing ever. It was then, still is today. (No, I do not feel a need to fuck a 14-year-old, I sleep with adults around my own age)
Nothing about the research into pedophilia suggests that their libidos work in some different way. If you’re a moral person who doesn’t want to hurt anyone, you will do your best not to. And not having sex with children is a pretty easy call to make.
I’ll be the first to admit that I don’t exactly think clearly when turned on, but it has never, ever, even in a years-long dry spell, led me to even slightly consider actually doing something with someone without their consent.
Nothing you can tell me can convince that a person who doesn’t want to hurt others, can be made to do so by their sex drive.
You’re just assuming I don’t feel attraction. I do, I just don’t feel attracted to children.
Good. Has it ever been too intense to override your ability to stop yourself? No?
Why would it be different for a pedo?
If child molesters were somehow driven by a cerebral malfunction they can’t do anything about, they’d be pitiable, not monsters worthy of death. They chose to do it.
I’ve had enough of this. Please find help.
For what?
What is it you fear I will do if I don’t? Educate people more?
If I was what you seem to be suggesting I am, do you even know what “help” would be? I do.
yo, Just wanted to give you props for remaining far calmer in this discussion than I would’ve been able to.
Yeah…
Looking at the edits they made to their initial comment. I’m not sure where to even start explaining why they’re wrong about this.
Apparently liking anime is damning evidence to this person.
Seeing that edit, you are making some olympic mental gymnastics level assumptions about me there.
I know you can be attracted to others. What my libido does is only one component in how I feel about someone, and often the least useful. But by definition it is a component ace people don’t need/get to worry about.
You are in the wrong side of this.Theres a German doc shedding some light on this issue:
youtu.be/vogs4NzqI3Q (money quote around 7:07), basically “half the perpetrators of child sexual abuse do not feel an attraction to kids. On the other hand, half the people who do feel attracted to kids do not become perpetrators.”
Basically, half the people abusing kids don’t do so because they’re attracted to kids but presumably because they’re easier victims whereas half the people getting attracted to life feel disgusted by themselves.
It’s, for all that we know, as congenital as being straight or queer. Now, with queer and straight preference, you don’t necessarily run into consent problems. Imagine you notice yourself being attracted to, idk, 15-year-olds. You’re otherwise a reasonably well adjusted human being. That’s gotta be devastating. You can’t help it, you were born this way. There’s no redemption arc here, the only thing you can do is just never ever give in to this feeling.
Wie muss die Gesellschaft mit Pädophilen umgehen? Unter Pädophilen. RABIAT!
Also, to make it very clear, at no point did I say being turned on by kids is ok.
I said the condition itself doesn’t automatically turn a person into a rapist, the same way a normal sex drive doesn’t either.
Seriously, look it up, “treatments” for pedophilia is boiled down is literally just consent training, and it works. Not in the sense that the libido goes away (though that can be done medically) but in the sense that these people do not then go on to rape anyone.
You can’t just apply your experience to everyone especially if your experience is not the typical one as you’ve stated you’re asexual. Nothing wrong with being asexual, but that’s not the typical state most people are in.
That aside the example was 14 years old, your “sex juices” are absolutely “flowing” at that point.
If “they like anime” is the most damning comeback you can find, I’m not sure where to even begin setting you straight.
It’s pretty clear that actual level-headed discussion by people who have looked into the reasearch on this is something that sets off a raging hate-boner for you, completely preventing you from actually considering what is being said.
You’re being downvoted because you’re simply wrong on this, and being a hateful asshole about it to boot.
I’m going to respond to your last point. First, Jackie Chan wtf meme. Second, kids becoming sexually aware while they are the same age and want to experiment, fine whatever. My point was older people taking advantage of straight up kids between ages of months to 17 years old. That’s not a typo, i said months because there are straight up fuckin monsters out there. I wish there was something, say vaccine ( i know, controversial) or another form of medicine that could remove the urges or feelings that a potential pedo might have later in life before it’s too late. That’s why i said age 10, since i don’t think kids become aware of their body until they hit puberty.
So, like a no attraction towards less than 18-year-olds-allowed-vaccine that we just give everyone? That would work.
You don’t need to be passive aggressive about mentioning months. I know. I can also tell you that unfortunately the condition isn’t chemical. People are born with it.
My point is that you only get a molester when they have the condition, and also lack the control that all the rest of us have for not raping people. As such, removing the urges is only solving half the problem. You’d still be letting people who’d rape adults through the cracks.
Dealing with those types of people would counter both pedos, and rapists in general.
Consent training is the real solution, and is what actual “treatment” for pedos seeking help currently consists of, and in some cases just total libido suppression through medical means.
Is that something done in the US? I was always under the impression that it’s just prison. You can’t even talk to a therapist about it because they have a duty to report you so again, prison.
But I can’t exactly claim to be an expert, it’s just what I’ve gathered from these conversations as they pop up over the years on reddit or whatever.
It varies by a lot. It doesn’t help that the research is scarce and seldom consulted on legislation.
I think a lot of people afflicted just never tell anyone. As long as you’re otherwise stable and in control of yourself, anyone who has only that one thing wrong about them, could extremely easily take it to the grave. It’s by far the best option to live a decent life.
If you don’t need someone else to stop you from acting on it, why tell anyone, ever? It can’t be cured, so the only “help” available is to teach you self-control, or like you say, in some places, prison. If you’re among the 99% of people who already have self-control figured out, why speak up and just complicate your life?
Rikudou_Sagesince i don’t think kids become aware of their body until they hit puberty
Then you should do less thinking and more reading. Masturbation is quite common with kids. You know how touching your penis/clitoris feels good? That’s because of nerve endings and those don’t appear magically when you hit puberty. So it’s pleasurable as soon as your nervous system develops, which is a few months into your life.
To add on to this, many people who do commit horrible acts against children aren’t pedophiles, in the sense that they are sexually attracted to children. Many of them are sexual sadists who are aroused by the act of inflicting pain and abuse, instead.
It’s because the people in power are into that sort of shit. Pedophilia is about power and control, which are the same attributes that capitalism pushes to the top. Why do you think Epstein’s black book had literally every billionaire in it?
Unfortunately I don’t think we can draw a line between capitalism and pedophilia, specifically.
Though theres something to be said about people in positions of power partaking. Just look at religion.
Men with excess wealth routinely use that wealth to take advantage of vulnerable women.
It just so happens that some of these men are twisted and brazen enough to do it to children, too.
The child sex trade is big business.
That’s like saying you can treat being gay, after all I assume attraction is attraction.
It’s a contentious topic, which I think does more harm than good as people are afraid to have discussions for fear of repercussions.
In short, I don’t think people choose what they’re attracted to, and let’s be clear it’s only a crime once they act on those urges so shouldn’t we be more accepting of having discussions to reduce the harm to children.
The sexual orientation argument is a landmine.
Though it illustrates aspects of the point, it draws a lot of other uncomfortable parallels for people that really really aren’t part of it.
And then you’ll spend twice as long dispelling the BS it makes people assume about the point you’re making.
Better late than never I guess.
This is just political theater to make it seem like the Governor is doing something. Colombia, and much of Latin America, has a much larger issue being extremely wealthy countries with vastly poor populations.
These countries are being kept this way purposely so that they can be exploited by much wealthier nations(US, Spain, France, Netherlands, India). This breeds a culture of self regulation and minimal government intervention, riddled with corruption and a populace left to their own devices.
Prostitution in the touristic areas hasn’t been stopped at all, just pushed a little underground while the cops look the other way, because they are also customers.
Fixing this problem requires something that won’t occur in our lifetimes. Which is unfortunate as Colombia is one of the most beautiful and magical places on earth. Antioquia specifically is such an amazing place and the Paisa people are so unique and kind. Really beautiful when isolated cultures can survive this long.
I agree on this type of declarations being pure theater.
Which isolated culture do you refer to?
The Paisa people were isolated in the Andes mountains for a long time as it was difficult for the Spanish to access when it was part of Gran Colombia. The culture around Medellin and the coffee triangle is different the rest of country and kind of similar to the Southern hospitality in the US. Everyone is so willing to talk to you and invite you to gatherings even if you’re a stranger.
I would not call a region with a capital city that was founded in the 16 hundreds isolated.
Colombia, and the region you refer to, is mostly mestizo, a mix of indigenous and Spanish descendents. Which makes me think we are differing in which way to take isolation.
Isolation from the Spanish during the period of la Gran Colombia is another head scratcher. What do you mean?
There are communities that were long isolated and so, preserved (Palenques and tribes in the Amazon are clear examples).
Is the culture from Antioquia different from the country? Partially, yes, as any region in a big, diverse country is. Were they isolated? I would say no.
I would not call a region with a capital city that was founded in the 16 hundreds isolated.
Are you talking about the current capital of Medellin (est. 1717) or the original capital Santa Fe de Antioquia (founded 1541). Santa Fe sits on the Cauca river which was the only way the Spanish were able to make it that far into the mountains. It would take them months to travel to places like Medellin, which is why it was isolated. Once people arrived they rarely would leave.
Mestizo is just the spanish word for mixed person and fits all of Latin America as there are very few indigenous groups left.
I am using isolation in the standard meaning. To mean separated. I do not mean uncontacted. Sure uncontacted tribes are isolated, but so where the Paisas. What you may be missing is people didn’t just take a day trip into this region. The Spanish empire sent groups of people with the wealth and resources of a nation state, forcibly using indigenous slave labor to travel deep into the Andes. Once they arrived, it was rare that people left.
The only way to get close was to use the rivers with human powered boats. Then you had to use established trails or cut through extremely dense dangerous forest. This kind of work took years to accomplish and was the result of generations of people slowly building up a colonized society at the will of the Spanish Monarchy. This is why most of the larger towns and cities in south weren’t established until the 19th century.
From wikipedia about the Paisas: The Paisas have been considered a genetically isolated population according to scientific studies.
From wikipedia about Antioquia: Due to its geographical isolation, being located among mountains, Antioquia suffered supply problems. Its topography did not allow for much agriculture, so the city became dependent upon trade, especially of gold and gin for the colonization of new land.
I was in Medellin and Jericó two weeks ago. The isolation is talked about in the museums and is well established fact. I just mean separated not unreachable.
Fixing this problem requires something that won’t occur in our lifetimes.
Hard, sad truths.
Was it Matt Gaetz again?
I was confused by reading it “after US citizen found with two girls at a hotel”.
I think I was thinking about adult tiny woman. But now I realise where the problem is.
It would seem the only things Americans find sexier than their own family members…
The man, who has been identified as [full name], was discovered thanks to an individual who alerted the police that he was with the two girls at the Gotham Hotel, which is located nearby Lleras Park. Although he was arrested and detained for 12 hours, authorities eventually released him because he had not been caught in the act of sexually abusing the girls. He was released on Friday, and boarded a flight to Fort Lauderdale, Florida. An image of his passport, including his data and photo, has been posted to social media after details of his case came to light.
Maybe giving out his full name without him being caught doing anything illegal nor contacting him to get his version if the story is a little fucked up, El pais
You don’t do that if you’re not 100% sure
I always find not travelling to regions known for sex tourism then being caught in a hotel room with 11 & 12 year old children really helps to maintain my reputation of not being a paedophile.
But you do you.
DiplomjodlerBut that sort of thing should be dealt with by the law, not by internet vigilantism.
How was this guy dealt with by internet vigilantes?
He was arrested by the local authorities then bolted from the country once released on bail.
It is not uncustomary for authorities to release names of those arrested.
Do you want everywhere to change their processes so that your paedophile friends can remain in the shadows?
Then what would you call this:
An image of his passport, including his data and photo, has been posted to social media after details of his case came to light.
And yes, obviously everybody who thinks people have a right to due process must be a pedophile.
Which is especially indicative of their personal qualities in the light of the fact that if he really is a pedophile, proving it won’t be hard.
There is no due process because he fled the country.
Some countries have laws against committing crimes abroad so they can still be charged at home for this reason, I’m not sure about the US though.
NoSpiritAnimalSweet lord the Brazilian tourists are out in force on this thread.
They found him in a hotel known for sex workers, in a district known for sex work, with an 11 and 12 year old girl.
What was he doing, tutoring them?
He fled the country to escape consequences and I think we’re all safer knowing his name and face.
I think you’re replying to the wrong person!
The fact the guy was caught prior to sniffing these kids, arrested and now has “his card marked” is great
No I meant the psychos downvoting you.
Christer EnforsYes. Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law is a fundamental principle for good reason. For example, we don’t actually know if anything of what we’ve read about him is actually true.
Chances are pretty high
Not really comparable between the media feeding frenzy surrounding the McCann disappearance and a US sex tourist being caught in a hotel with 2 children.
I just picked the first one when you google “media ruined life”
There’s plenty of examples, pick your favorite
Again, not really comparable.
He is not someone like the guy framed by all the Reddit imbecilic sluths water the Boston marathon bombings, nor is he like Christopher Jefferies, accused by the media of murdering one of his tenants, just because he’s a bit eccentric.
The guy was caught in a hotel room with children in an area known for sex tourism & he chose to bolt the country after his arrest.
Not exactly the “smoke without fire” examples that you could scour the internet all day long for.
If you don’t want your name released after being arrested in a hotel with local children entirely unrelated to you, then maybe don’t invite local children up to your hotel and be getting arrested.
Not comparable
It’s a matter of principle, pick any of hundreds of examples if you want a comparison
Again, not comparable
Some people
I’m not the one defending paedophiles.
You’re an idiot
Scary le PooThis comment gives me hope. I hate all the reddit kneejerk reactionaries. Sure, he may be a scumbag, but perhaps we should make sure beyond a reasonable doubt first.
Travelling overseas to an area rife with sex trafficking and getting caught in a hotel with 2 children he has absolutely no relation to is to you not beyond a reasonable doubt?
As I’ve said elsewhere, consider that you’ve said nothing of any concern for those children, about the poverty they very likely live in, nor for the sex workers who are being the brunt of the fallout from this.
Your concern is all on the paedo sex tourist caught in a hotel with 2 children.
FunkyStuff [he/him]If I had to pick which person is exhibiting behavior in a discussion where one side is playing devil’s advocate for a dude who had 2 small children in his hotel room in an area known for kidnapping and child sex abuse, and another is saying the obvious despite not technically having strong evidence beyond the previously stated, my finger’s on the guy that doesn’t understand burden of proof.
Ill let you simmer that burden of proof comment real quick