Women-only social media app Giggle for Girls taken to court by transgender woman Roxanne Tickle after her account was restricted

https://lemmy.world/post/14083921

Women-only social media app Giggle for Girls taken to court by transgender woman Roxanne Tickle after her account was restricted - Lemmy.World

* In short: Transgender woman Roxanne Tickle is suing social media platform Giggle for Girls after she was excluded from the women-only app. * She is alleging unlawful discrimination on the basis of gender identity while the app’s founder has denied she is a woman. * What’s next? The hearing is expected to run for four days. *** A transgender woman who was excluded from a women-only social media app should be awarded damages because the app’s founder has persistently denied she is a woman, a Sydney court has heard. In February 2021, Roxanne Tickle downloaded the Giggle for Girls social networking app, which was marketed as a platform exclusively for women to share experiences and speak freely. Users needed to provide a selfie, which was assessed by artificial intelligence software to determine if they were a woman or man. Ms Tickle’s photograph was determined to be a woman and she used the app’s full features until September that year, when the account became restricted because the AI decision was manually overridden.

I have nothing to add, just amused by the fact that a Tickle can’t get a giggle.
Hahah beat me to it, that scene played in my head as soon as I read the name.
Well, Tickle has a pickle, and giggle’s really fickle.
“Fickle Giggle won’t allow Pickled Tickle.” These headlines write themselves!
She had GRS, it's just transphobia in pun form

“Hey fuck you for correctly pointing out transphobia, downvote”

What the fuck lemmy, we’re really making “pickle” jokes about a trans woman? Are we fucking chrischan? Grow up.

Stick out of ass, remove it. Everything can be joked about, deal with it.
Likewise anyone is free to say “that joke isn’t funny”, you deal with it. Fucking snowflake lmao
Still laughing at you though.

Meanwhile the jokes you’re defending have already been removed.

Y’know, for the transphobia.

Have fun laughing tho 💖

Will do ta, everything is a joke.
I still see it just fine
I bet you have at least one thing you'd turn into the biggest snowflake about if ridiculed for/laughed at. Bigots always do.

Is that even a sentence that proves anything? You state " One thing would make you a snowflake if ridiculed"

I mean what are you even trying to say? That trans people are snow flakes for being upset? That’s pretty shitty of you.

Take a look around. See how often it is lemmy.woröd accounts making transphonic jokes like that and come to your own conslusion.
Yeah I thought my pickle joke was funny too. It rhymed for fuck sake.
congratulations sir, you won this thread! :)
What’s the point of a woman’s only app (or any women’s only space) if they let anyone in simply based on them saying ‘I’m a woman’?

The question you have to ask here is “if anyone can just sign up then how was she noticed, and if they spend any time verifying then how did they not realize she was very serious about her womanhood?”.

They’re clearly doing some work here and not doing it very well.

Dude, there’s like four sentences and they’re all on this page and it says it takes an AI assessed picture of your face to determine if you’re a woman. Why are people so fucking lazy and snarky?
Because she is a woman. It’s really that simple.
She’s a trans woman.
Trans woman = woman, I fail to see your point.
Help me understand. You are saying there is absolutely no difference between a woman and a trans woman?
They are saying that all women — cis and trans — are women. It doesn’t mean or imply that trans women are the same as cis women in every way.
I must be confused about what an equal sign means then.

Trans women = women

Cis women = women

Cis women ≠ trans women

I don’t mean to be a pedant but that math doesn’t make much sense.
Could you explain what part of it doesn’t make sense to you? (Or what part you disagree with) Maybe one of us can clarify better if we start there
They are trying to say that cis and trans women both fall under the larger group known as women, they just don’t understand math.
I know what they are trying to say, I just don’t think they realize it doesn’t make sense.
Literally do not care I’m not in a math class I’m on Lemmy. I conveyed the point and you understood it so it did make sense. Learn how language and communication works.

False, the ‘=’ is transitive, meaning:

A = B and B = C implies A = C

The symbol you meant to use is the implication arrow: =>

Trans women => women

Cis women => women

Black women => women

Lesbian women => women

This means: If the left statement is true, the right statement must also be true. If the left statement is false, you don’t know whether the right statement is true or false.

Can you link me to something about the “implication arrow”?

I would have used the subset symbol ⊆.

I would just use the subset symbol ⊆.

Yeah, but I don’t have that on my keyboard.

Besides, a ∈ A ⊆ B => a ∈ B, so what I wrote is not THAT nonsensical

Did you understand what I was saying?

Yes?

Then it’s true. This isn’t a math class in university this is a conversation on Lemmy. You understood the point so my message was conveyed.

You’re being intentionally dense. Do you treat all adjectives this way? Red cars and blue cars are both cars, does that mean red and blue are the same color?

“X is Y” in English translates mathematically to “X is a subset of Y”

Here’s an example:

  • A square is a polygon
  • A triangle is a polygon
  • A square is not a triangle

Am I the same as you absolutely? No? Ok but we are both humans, right?

When assigning things to categories we make lists of properties. So yes there are differences but those aren’t the criteria of assignment. A 90 year old cis woman and a 19 year old cis woman are both still woman despite them having differences.

Removed for saying “Help me understand. You are saying there is absolutely no difference between a woman and a trans woman?”

The mods really want to push the narrative that there is a 1:1 equivalence between trans women and natural women.

None of this is transphobic. They just don’t want anyone to question their narrative because they are biased and want to control people’s perception.

This mod team sucks.

I bet you would equally have a problem with the phrase “women are women” because there is no 1:1 equivalence between two women.
Saying women=women would be an accurate statement.
It is unfortunate that people are being attacked for asking questions. It is very toxic here.
Please define what a ‘natural woman’ is. Specifically. Is it chromosomes? Is it anatomy?

Maybe because everything about the space still caters to women’s concerns, and the presumption for a random-ass social media app should be that your appearance doesn’t determine your intent? If somebody’s daily life is being a woman, then why the fuck should it matter which parts they have? Are you also going to exclude gay women, or women who cut their hair short, or women who choose not to have kids? After all, they’re not having all the same issues that long-haired cis-het mothers have.

Not to mention it’s a technologically stupid gate to keep. In what fucking world does it deter anyone who is willing to be dishonest?

Sexism.
You can still be sexist without an app. It is a great leveler in humanity. No effort at all to hate someone for whatever reason you want whenever you want.
A waste of everyone’s time. Sounds like entitlement.
It’s entitled to exclude.

This is funny when you just look at your profile’s first page and see you’ve made comments like these:

I hate this rhetoric. It implies that this a refular occurence. It is just a man hating comment. If this is happening to you frequently, maybe you are the problem. I am tired of being assumed an asshole just because I am a man. It is sexist. Plain and simple.

So you deny “unproblematic” women regularly experiencing unsafe behavior from men who are entitled and you’re also denying people’s gender identity - otherwise, why would it be a waste of time for a woman’s fight for her right to access women’s spaces? So you’re attacking people you perceive to be “men” while complaining about “man haters” elsewhere. Logical inconsistencies in favor of hate is a hallmark sign of right wing extremist views.

That is some fancy mental gymnastics you came up with there. My comment before has absolutely nothing to do with this article. The fact that you went through my comment history to find a marginal strawman just goes to show you are trying to be argumentative. You can disagree with me all you want, it doesn’t mean you’re correct. In fact, nobody’s opinion can be correct.
It’s not a “strawman” when it’s just quoting an actual comment you made - that’s called getting called out for your toxic bullshit

It absolutely is.

If it’s okay to exclude men, then it it should be okay to exclude trans women.

Or, we can recognize all the reasons that women (cis and trans) want and need women’s-only spaces. This site was claiming to be a space for women — not just cis women. According to the article, the site restricted Tickle’s account after some person there reviewed Tickle’s photo and determined that — because she didn’t look feminine enough — that she was not a woman. That, as well as using AI to determine gender or sex, are both deeply sexist and unacceptable.

Not letting someone be part of a women’s space because they don’t meet someone’s standards of what a woman should look like? That’s bad. That’s wrong. That’s illegally discriminatory. That ends up hurting both cis and trans women, just like bathroom bills do.

That’s illegally discriminatory.

Under what law? I’m not familiar with Australia, but here the the US, transfolk are just piggybacking off of legal protections against gender discrimination; which were never actually intended to protect trans people.

In most cases, that actually works out fine. If you discriminate against a transwomen, it’s because you think they are a man presenting as a women. However, you have no problem with a women presenting as a women, so you are running afoul of gender discrimination laws. Legally speaking, your problem was discriminating against her for being a man.

In instances like this though, that argument doesn’t apply. Once you get to the “you are discriminating against her for being a man” stage of the analysis, the response is simply “yes, and I’m allowed to discriminate against men”.

It seems like Australia would need to have a law that specifically protects trans people for her to prevail here.