Mysteriarch ☀️Greta Thunberg detained at The Hague climate demonstration
NeuromancerGood. This girl does more harm to the cause than help. We need less of her and more serious people to change minds.
We need more like her who take the threat as a threat and act like it’s a threat.
Being “serious” or calm about it is not working, and catastrophically so.
She just babbles and has no solution to the problem. She’s addicted to the media attention.
As voters we need to push politicians to make changes and in America that is through taxation and not bans.
Biden has pushed stupid legislation that won’t accomplish anything.
You want to reduce ice cars? Increase gasoline taxes and remove subsidies. Gas would double in price with would reduce the miles people drive and the size of their cars.
The problem is it’s a global problem and everyone needs to pitch it.
Hmm… seems like you should thank her.
Because she participated in that protest, she got arrested, a news source wrote about it, and you got to bring up good points about how we need to take more action.
Yeah she babbles speaks about the issues, but since she’s not (yet?) an elected official, what else would you have her do?
Personally I’d like to see her go away. She does nothing to help in my opinion and gives credit it’s a crazy conspiracy. She just comes off as an idiot.
The way you make change is vote for people that want to make real changes. Not stupid crap like carbon credits. People that have real ideas.
You talk to your friends about it. I’ve got several people to switch to teslas and solar power. It requires logic and facts.
Just babbling like an idiot turns people off and they don’t think a thing but made up conspiracy.
Ah yes, the person who has rallied up more people (current and future voters) globally around the climate issue than anyone else as of late has done nothing to help. I think what you mean is that she annoys you.
CrackhappyNever argue with an idiot. They’ll bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.
She damages the vision.
I don’t know anyone she’s rallied. She’s universally made fun of this country.
What has changed since she’s been ranting? Nothing. She wants the focus on her and not the issue
Ah, Neuromancer doesn’t know anyone she’s rallied. My bad, case closed then! lmao
She literally formed the largest climate protest movement in the world, while you sit here and spread dumbass conspiracy bullshit about her.
I never said anything about a conspiracy. I said she an idiot who really isn’t helping.
You’re still advocating individual car ownership as a sustainable future…buses, trams, trolleys, LRT, trains. 6000lbs (2200kilos) just to get a few groceries is over kill.
Maybe you don’t live in America but for the foreseeable future, that is the solution. The first step is a reduction in using fossil fuels. Public transportation would take decades to build out to a useable level in America.
Classic Lemmy mass downvoting everything that does not sit with their ideology without ever looking at the actual situation.
You are absolutely correct in that it would take at least a decade if not longer to build reliable public transit in all of America, ESPECIALLY in the suburbs to the point where you wouldn’t need a car. And to keep it real with you, I don’t see it happening for even another century. And that’s just one of the issues that’s leading to climate change. Much bigger problems like the top 1% owning 1000 cars and 20 private jets that nobody ever talks about. Always blame the average citizen rather than the ruling class, always tell the average citizen to be better than telling the ruling class to be better. Yea no major change will happen for at least another century. I know I will get downvoted cause this is Lemmy where people downvote anytuing that doesn’t sit with their idealistic non realistic opinions (that I tend to agree with but they are just not realistic for many reasons) but I couldn’t care less
Not just in Lemmy, but I think there’s an increasing divide between the demographic I’m going to call “has only ever lived in a major city” and “everyone else”, especially online.
A shocking amount of people (to me) have never once in their life lived in an area with less than like 500,000 people. To many of these people, it is incomprehensible to imagine that a lot of people have legitimate needs for cars. They have good intentions, and many of them are otherwise smart people, but they really struggle to imagine how and where many Americans live, and what all goes into things like the transportation of goods and services.
Public transportation is great! But without what would be the largest investment in infrastructure in human history by several magnitudes there’s simply no way to just get rid of 90% of car ownership or whatever.
🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 🇮 🏆“It can’t be done instantly overnight so why even bother trying to do it slowly?”
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Why do people such as yourself read such a long comment, only to try to squeeze something out to disagree with?
I never said that. I never said anything of the sort. What drives you to do such a thing?
Public transportation is great! But without what would be the largest investment in infrastructure in human history by several magnitudes there’s simply no way to just get rid of 90% of car ownership or whatever.
Because that is what the quoted argument boils down to. Apathy because it can’t be done instantly. No alternative solutions, just giving up.
Good lord you’re a crybaby. I say something is an objectively big task to do and you instantly start stamping your feet that I didn’t first preface how good and noble of a goal it was enough beforehand so I must have evil intentions.
Do I need to make every statement starting with “I absolutely support building transportation and our local unions, however!” For you to not be offended? Get a grip dude.
Unfortunately I want to say public transit sucks everywhere in America besides maybe NYC and some of the other densely built East Coast cities. I commute throughout Los Angeles (second biggest city in the US by population) and use the public transit there sometimes because I don’t have a choice (check my last post if you don’t believe me) and it feels like you are being punished for taking public transit. I don’t want to say that it is filled with homeless and is unsafe because I have personally never had that bad of an experience (although that is an issue that does need to be addressed if everyone especially younger women were to ride public transit), but the most frustrating part about riding public transit here is the abysmal planning of the layout. Every single public transit (specifically subway) map in the US goes through the downtown of the city with no other way around it. If you know anything abouy Los Angeles neighborhoods, you would know that there is no way to get from Westwood or Santa Monica to Hollywood without going through downtown, no way to go from Long Beach to Inglewood without going through downtown, and this leads to incredibly inefficient and time consuming transportation that just is not feasible for someone who doesn’t have time to spend 2 hours commuting back n forth each way everyday times a week. A ride that would be 30 minutes with car can take well over an hour with public transit here. So I’m not sure where the massive hate train towards cars on Lemmy comes from (maybe most are from Europe where public transit is actually good) but even in a majority of the big cities in the US it is practically unusable unless you have unlimited time to spare.
Chicago was pretty good. I could do most things using the L. I don’t do buses. Not my type of crowd
I would like to see more public options but at this time, that isn’t going to help much. California has been trying to build high speed rail since I was a kid. Still hasn’t done shit.
I think hybrids are the gap technology until we can get electric cars more affordable.
The 1% will always act like it’s everyone else and even if we increased fuel taxes. It won’t phase them.
What do you mean you can’t come up with a transportation solution to transport millions of people around at any given moment that’s more convenient than them being able to travel to their destinations on their own without a long schedule?
In case I need it, /s.
Did you even read the article? That's literally what they're calling for. The removal of subsidies.
As for everyone needing to pitch in, just no. The vast majority of emissions come from sources outside public control. The "everyone needs to pitch in" and "watch your personal carbon footprint" crap is just effective marketing from BP.
Not saying cutting down personal emissions is bad, every little helps...
but it's not a solution. We need to be holding the big emmiters accountable.
The only realistic way to doing that is through inconvenient protests like blocking roads and making sure we can't be ignored. How else do you force governments to turn on their benefactors?
It's been over 50 years now, and we've seen very little real movement on this. it's been mostly token and empty gestures, and pandering. It's time we stepped up our game.
Soooo she's got the right idea imo
theneverfoxAddicted to the attention? I know nothing about her except her age and her stance on climate change
She doesn’t go off topic, she doesn’t do talk shows. Maybe she loves the attention deep down, but she stays on mission…She doesn’t abuse the privilege. She’s allowed to enjoy the process, I hope she does.
I challenge you to follow your convictions to that extent
She doesn’t abuse the privilege
Like when she threw the fit that the train didn’t give her first class. Yep, doesn’t abuse her privilege at all.
MamboGatorNeuromancer is a moderator of the lemm.ee conservative community. It’s safe to ignore anything they say.
And? Where is my point wrong?
Eyyy, look at this guy. He openly supports the political ideology whose representatives worldwide have stonewalled every action to combat climate change, and he thinks we should give anything he says on the subject due consideration.
What a jokester.
Yeah Tesla sure is against electric cars.
Tesla is against good electric cars.
Tesla is a phenomenal car. The best electric on the market.
Teslas are less likely to catch fire than an ice car.
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screenrant.com/tesla-build-quality-tiktok/
But, hey, I get it. You already gave a bunch of money to Elon, probably before he revealed how stupid and corrupt he is, and now you have to continue justifying that purchase to yourself. Don’t let me stand in your way.
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I don’t have to justify anything. I think it’s a great car as do most people who own them.
Most people who spent a lot of money on something tell themselves that it’s great.
This guy’s a mod for a conservative community on Lemm.ee. He thinks the rich are paying more than their fair share of taxes. He won’t listen to common sense.
He’s also the one making like 80% of the posts to that community. Kind of sad, tbh.
TheLowestStoneKind of?
jordanlundIt doesn’t matter what other groups they participate in, if you can’t attack their ideas outside that, you don’t have a winning argument. Removing your comment under the civility rule.
It wasn’t a lot of money. It was 70k
$70k is a lot of money for most people. I make a decent living and have been looking to replace mine and $30-50k can get A LOT of car. Even that is well outside the majority of people’s affordability.
Electric cars are not cheap but 70k isn’t what I’d call expensive.
Also Elon is a man child who will cause you more issues if you have a tesla and are publicly critical of it
Tesla has serious quality control issues. They have serious design issues like being deliberately obtuse in the name of “innovation”. They haven’t made any significant improvements to any of their cars since the launch.
Most importantly, they have serious leadership issues.
Musk was in the right place at the right time to launch Tesla. He’s got a pretty good corner on the battery market, and hopefully he doesn’t abuse that.
Quality is universally true. The only issue I’ve had is some paint issues. The paint is 100% garbage.
Innovation ? They’ve had plenty. The octovalve is a perfect example.
Electric cars don’t help save the planet, they help save the car industry.
Walkable / bikeable cities, and better public transit are better.
He’s a mod for a conservative community and he’s drinking the Kool aid HARD
Well first your insinuation you’re part of the cause. We’ll start there.
I’m part of the cause by driving electric and running solar? Please elaborate.
Oh well gee I stand corrected. You’re a paragon of climate conscientiousness. I will not take anyone who posts articles from Fox News seriously. Actually in any matter come to think of it.
You vote against your own self-proclaimed interests.
You can’t vote conservative in the 21st century without being either a self-interested jackass trying to protect your own hoard of wealth, or an idiot who has been convinced by the wealth hoarders that conservatives are looking out for anyone but them.
The people you vote for are the reason why this planet is on a collision course with fucked. The only reason Elon started bought an electric car company is because he saw a market ripe for exploitation and convinced idiots that he was a Stable Genius who wanted to save the world so they’d buy his shittily-made cars. He’s the richest person on the planet and could easily solve untold numbers of problems threatening humanity and Earth by himself, but he’ll only do the things that will make him even more money in the process.
I vote for my own interest but thanks for the advice.
Neither party has a viable solution for climate change. I think the democrats is worse than the republicans.
Also you don’t understand wealth. If Elon converted his wealth to cash, he’d no longer be at Tesla, space x, boring, etc. that wealth is the value of those companies.
Personally I’d like to see him take a step back from Tesla before he runs it into the ground but I doubt he will.
You think the Republicans (drill baby, drill) have a better answer than Democrats (subsidize Green energy)…
I’m for nuclear power. It’s more sustainable.
gregorumExactly. They’ve come here to troll and look for a fight. Don’t engage them.
Your response is a troll response. In no way do you engage in the topic or the argument
While you may think slacktivism is valuable. I don’t.
How the fuck does actually going out to protests and being arrested in the process count as slacktivism? Have you been arrested for what you believe in?
I don’t go out and protest. Not my thing. I have a job.
I write my senators and I donate to politicians who share my values. Anyone who supports fracking. Doesn’t get a dollar for me. Anyone who is anti-abortion. Doesn’t get a dollar from me.
Can you list how the world has changed since her protest? Doesn’t seem overly effective.
not everyone has the privilege of using money to get politicians to do what they want.