โ€œLast year, I had a life-changing experience at 90 years old. I went to space, after decades of playing an iconic science-fiction character who was exploring the universe. I thought I would experience a deep connection with the immensity around us, a deep call for endless exploration.
"I was absolutely wrong. The strongest feeling, that dominated everything else by far, was the deepest grief that I had ever experienced.
"I understood, in the clearest possible way, that we were living on a tiny oasis of life, surrounded by an immensity of death. I didnโ€™t see infinite possibilities of worlds to explore, adventures to have, or living creatures to connect with. I saw the deepest darkness I could have ever imagined, contrasting so starkly with the welcoming warmth of our nurturing home planet.
"This was an immensely powerful awakening for me. It filled me with sadness. I realized that we had spent decades, if not centuries, being obsessed with looking away, with looking outside. I did my share in popularizing the idea that space was the final frontier. But I had to get to space to understand that Earth is and will stay our only home. And that we have been ravaging it, relentlessly, making it uninhabitable."
-- William Shatner, actor
@didgebaba I don't agree on the last part - I do think folks will spread beyond Earth. But to do so we will need to understand and coexist with our environment far better than we do now - because we will need to transport that environment with us and exist in it there.
@lyda @didgebaba yeah a virus does want to spread.
@the_q that's an eco-fascist stance, mind. @lyda @didgebaba
@mawhrin @lyda @didgebaba Recognizing that the human species, while able to exist within a natural system, chooses not to is an eco-fascist stance? Or is it the part where the human species moves into an area, uses up all the resources and reproduces beyond support?
@the_q yes; and both are untrue, the greatest resource abuse is remarkably concentrated amongst a small group. (the overpopulation fear is also purely racist; earth is not overpopulated.) @lyda @didgebaba
@mawhrin @lyda @didgebaba Racist? Who the hell is talking about race? I'm talking about the fact humans don't function in this natural system in the same way other animals do. If you can't see that a squirrel's life fits and functions toward the betterment of its environment and a humans doesn't then I can't help you. Just because it hurts your feelings to even consider that you, an individual, causes harm doesn't make it less true. We're all responsible. Deal with it.

@the_q the planet will be fine, it's us who are fucked. (and as every species here, we're ephemeral.)

we're not a virus though, the earth is not overpopulated; and it's not the majority of the population that is responsible for the most significant part of the damage.

on the contrary, the responsibility is concentrated in a remarkably limited number of hands.

@lyda @didgebaba

@mawhrin @lyda @didgebaba "I'm not responsible".. You are. You're using electricity that comes from coal that comes from mining that comes from exploitation. You're on a device made by slaves and powered by children covered in cobalt dust. Your clothes are made by slaves and purchased from companies that pay employees pennies. You're part of the problem just like anyone else, and yes I do understand that companies do more damage, but more damage and less damage are both damage.