What is something that is completely legal that should be illegal?

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What is something that is completely legal that should be illegal? - midwest.social

Zero hour contracts in the uk don’t actually have to have an actual contract so if your boss says that something is in your job description you can’t argue otherwise because there was never a contract that said what your job roles were to start with.
How is that even legal somewhere ?
For context this is how the vast majority of jobs work in the US by default.
Passive income.
musicians in shambles
There were musicians far before passive income for creative work was a thing. And it’s not like the €0.003 per play Spotify pays is making bank for most musicians.
we already are
Does that include a ban of UBI (universal basic income)? Because that is a idea I do indeed support
Going by the traditional definition, UBI is indeed passive income. I don’t think it is as bad as other forms of passive income, but I would prefer subsidies over just giving people cash.
Landlords. Housing as a commodity in general.
Just curious what your preferred solution would be?
Everyone gets one house. No hoarding.
Which house?
I imagine one that is convenient for their needs. Work, school, whatever. Is there a deeper meaning to that question?

I don’t think owning your home is realistic in all scenarios. For example, let’s say because you needed to leave your abusive partner, so you don’t have the luxury of going through the whole process of saving money, then researching, and eventually purchasing a home. You need to get out, maybe live somewhere for a year or two to get your feet under you and save some money so you can purchase a home. If you couldn’t rent a home, how could you possibly get out of this situation if you had no money on hand?

If you move to a new city that you’ve never visited before, sometimes you want to rent in a few areas to find the areas you like before commit long term to a place.

I really don’t think buying a home should be your only option for living in a home. It’s just not what’s best for some people in some scenarios.

Government owned housing used to be a common thing in the UK and it’s how housing works in Singapore today, just because private landlords don’t exist doesn’t mean people can’t rent houses from the government
Could you elaborate on Singapore? I have a friend who lives there and her rent is obscene…
Screwing over a large number of people to benefit a small number of people. Religion and corporations immediately come to mind.
That's very vague and sounds like it would mainly affect minorities in a negative way.
Lobbying and lobbyist groups.

Owning shares when you are an elected official with jurisdiction over the industry you own shares in.

Also, any political figure owning shares in a media organisation, regardless of whether it is traditional media or “new media”.

Lobbying in and of itself isn’t bad, it makes our politicians aware of issues and alternatives.

Unrestricted lobbying is the problem, I recently read that lobbyists from Amazon would no longer have access cards to the European parliament so they no longer could come and go as they liked.

I just wonder why lobbyists ever got that access in the first place…

Does that include unions?

Banning lobbying would mean no one would be able to talk to a politician/official about an issue. Not even writing your local officials, proposing a local ordinance to making bike lanes or spending money to fix-up/improve a local park. Because that’s lobbying. You’re asking a government to wield their official power and/or spend public money, for your (and potentially others’) benefit.

Even lobbying groups aren’t necessarily bad. The Sierra Club, EFF, ACLU. These are American, but I’m sure there are equivalents of these in other countries.

So banning lobbying doesn’t really work. Now if you’re talking financial contributions and gifts and nice dinners from those who lobby, yeah that probably needs to be more highly regulated or stopped altogether. Generally speaking, any kind of quid pro quo.

But just talking to a politician should not be made illegal. In democracies, talking to people, talking to politicians, and trying to convince them to align with your view is the name of the game.

God the nerds in here are annoying.

“Ackchually banning lobbying would mean nobody could talk to politicians anymore blah blah…”

Everyone knows what you mean when you say that lobbying should be illegal.

Everyone knows what you mean when you say that lobbying should be illegal.

Could you explain?

Probably the part where they’re straight-up bribing politicians to rubber stamp the garbage that ALEC writes.
Lobbying as in “bribery with extra steps” where companies give money to politicians, ask them to do something, then say it’s ok because it’s “lobbying” and therefore not bribery, but people are coming in and pointing out how lobbying technically just means talking to politicians, but that’s not what RotatingParts meant.

Isn’t the problem that the “extra steps” are loopholes?

And legal loopholes are like a hydra. Close one and the lawyers will open up two more.

I imagine the line is hard to draw. But of course, the ones doing the drawing of that line are also on the receiving end of the good stuff, so there’s incentives to not close those loopholes…

Everyone knows what you mean when you say that lobbying should be illegal.

People who don’t know anything about lobbying know what you mean when you say lobbying should be illegal.

Gonna overturn the 1st Amendment?

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

I’m sure there are ways to dial in the abuse, but what legislator is gonna vote for that?

Advertisements for prescription medication
Well that highly depends on location. I think that’s illegal in most of Europe
Most places other than the US. I know it’s illegal here in Canada.
We get medication ads here in Canada, they’re just very restricted in what they can actually say, but Sportsnet runs a rybelsus ad every hockey game
Advertisements in general. Imagine world without ads and sponsored content.

I don’t think that’s realistic. Even the guy at the local market shouting “get your potatoes here” is technically advertisement.

What could work instead is to make both the company that advertises and the one that displays the ad liable for the ad itself. If it’s inappropriate, contains malware or is in any way malicious, the company displaying it should also be liable for endangering the customers. Also outlaw tracking for advertisement purposes altogether

São Paolo in Brazil and Grenoble in France completely banned outdoor advertising, various other cities and regions (Amsterdam, Bristol, Vermont) have heavily restricted them. Dare to dream bigger than policies which have already existed for decades 😝
This one is pretty location specific but I agree that US law doesn’t make any sense. Like, physician and pharmacist spend 10 years at university to learn all the details about prescription medication and then have to get yearly retraining, so how do you even do ad’s for that
Two ways: first, you go to doctors offices and hospitals and give gifts to the person responsible for picking which version of this medicine to buy/prescribe.
Second, convince patients to ask for your version when they see their doctor by telling them on tv that it will make their life better or whatever
That’s only legal in like two countries.
I’m in one of them. I wish it wasn’t.

I left the US to work overseas and when I came back the law changed and everyone was hooked on viagra, the “little purple pill” and everything else…it was VERY obvious what happened…after we sttled down we went to establish care woth a GP & I walked out of my initial appointment with 6 prescriptions.

ridiculous…

Governments, businesses, corporations and all of us just normalizing and accepting that the majority of everything we own or buy at affordable prices are all based on taking advantage of as many poor people as possible in our home countries and most of the time in third world developing nations where people are paid pennies for their work.

We complain about China, yet everyone buys everything from them. We look down on third world developing countries yet we base our economies on manufacturing a ton of stuff from them because they all hire people for as little as possible. In America, Canada and Europe, we have agricultural workers we ship in from poorer countries to harvest our crops because we don’t want to pay higher prices for labour to the people that live in our countries … we would rather pay poverty wages for imported labour that we don’t want to stay in our country.

Everything we do, buy and pay for is all based on exploitation … our entire economy the world over is based on it … yet it is perfectly legal … but if we are all so moral, enlightened and intelligent then it should be illegal.

Alcohol.
Rather than downvoting, I’d like to ask why you think all forms of alcohol for consumption should be illegal
Probably because they're basically poison that has to be filtered out and fucks up your liver and kidneys.
If we forbid things just because they are mildly toxic, we would need to forbid almost everything. Including oxygen and water.
Oh yeah, a lot of people die because they drink too much water. Don't forget how moch money is wasted because people break shit and beat each other up when theu are high on water.

Isn’t that more a social issue? Getting drunk and becoming violent isn’t a cause-effect. Someone that becomes abusive after drinking would be abusive without alcohol as well, that’s just a trigger for the behavior.

This is closer to an actual answer, though. It’s easier to remove drinking than to change drinking culture. It just didn’t work the last time they tried to ban alcohol (in the USA), so if behavior around drinking is the issue that is trying to be solved there are probably other ways to go about it.

Alcohol is popular because also improves your socialization, could be linked perfectly, but I’m not an expert to say it. And smoking cigarettes is also bad and isn’t banned, while weed is safer than those two addictions, and it’s still mostly illegal. There are reasons, and hippies are probably the cause, government wanted to criminalize them and their love movement. If alcohol keeps you down, and quiet, the government will not care to ban even if it’s bad for your health, they need the companies to keep winning money.

False,

“No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health” - who.int/…/04-01-2023-no-level-of-alcohol-consumpt…

There is a safe level of oxygen and water you not only can, but must take. Your phrase sounds cool, but it’s 100% misinformation.

No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

The risks and harms associated with drinking alcohol have been systematically evaluated over the years and are well documented.

Alcohol is pretty significantly toxic, especially compared to oxygen and water.

I’m not in favour of banning it outright, but alcohol is more dangerous than some drugs that are illegal in many parts of the world, including the US.

Ok, but there are plenty of other items that that do that as well. It’s not a call out of “all drugs, including tobacco and alcohol”. It’s not a callout of microplastics. So there’s something specific to alcohol.

So there’s something specific to alcohol.

Being widespread. One bad set of laws in bad place in bad time (propination laws in eastern Europe in XVIII-XIX century) caused untold suffering and is keenly felt to this day, showing how easily hundreds of millions of people can be fucked up by poisonous commodity.

I’m not for entirely banning alcohol, but only because it would be rather futile, but for restrictions in its selling and far going educational campaigns to finally get rid of it - and it is possible, looking at the decline of consumption of other poison, tobacco.

It’s proven that is toxic for our organisms. It hurts our body and creates depressions.

More info: www.who.int/health-topics/alcohol

“No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health” who.int/…/04-01-2023-no-level-of-alcohol-consumpt…

Also, thanks for asking and just not downvoting. 💖

Harmful use of alcohol

USA tried banning these once…
Engaging your turn signal against traffic when the light turns green.