Michigan Republican congressman suggests nuking Gaza, ending humanitarian aid

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Michigan Republican congressman suggests nuking Gaza, ending humanitarian aid - Lemmy.World

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These aren’t weird people with mental health issues standing on the corner with signs. These are elected Republicans. I’m afraid of Republicans. I’m afraid of the world. I’m afraid I can’t help it.

These aren’t weird people with mental health issues standing on the corner with signs. These are elected Republicans.

That’s exactly what they are.

Oh Margie, you’re still fun in my book. /s

They in fact are weird people with mental health issues.

I think a case can be made that a considerable amount of the ugliness we see in the world is a fairly direct consequence of the simple fact that a significant number of people in positions of power and influence are profoundly mentally ill.

The 1% has an undiagnosed hoarding mental illness. However, much like a gambling addict who always wins, no one thinks there is a problem.
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If I was on the governing committee of a major political party, I’d be funding trips to places like Hiroshima and Auschwitz for members of our party that are running for office for the first time, not for the photo op, but so that maybe they can get some fucking perspective and not say batshit stupid things that make us look like a bunch of genocidal racists.

Idk, just a thought. Assuming that “genocidal racists” isn’t a significant voting demographic that you are trying to appeal to.

Madison Cawthorn’s visit to Hitler’s vacation home alarms his NC district’s Jews

In a 2017 social media post from the Eagle's Nest in Bavaria, the now 25-year-old Republican congressional candidate said the former haunt of the 'Fuhrer' was on his 'bucket list'

This is exactly the sort of nonsense that my suggestion is designed to avoid.

If all you know about Hitler is that he was in charge of Germany during the second world war, they lost, a bunch of people died, but their uniforms looked cool (Hugo Boss, looks sharp) and people called him “Fuhrer” (German sounds so badass) then yeah, this kind of thing doesn’t seem so off.

I want my representatives - whatever their affiliation - to have stood in front of the pile of children’s shoes and the mass graves and the charred ruins. I want them to have stared at the abyss, felt the horror and the despair and the inhumanity and the evil and truly understood the weight of the responsibility they have to ensure we learn from our history.

You don’t understand.

You can show them all the horrors of war, and they’ll tell you that they have the fortitude to do whatever is needed to protect the homeland. To them not flinching shows how tough they are.

That’s the problem, for republicans “genocidal racist” IS a voting demographic they’re trying to appeal to.

so that maybe they can get some fucking perspective

Your idea could maybe work, if they didn’t think was staged and part of some conspiracy. The real (harder to implement, but long term) solution would be to fix the education system and nip this in the bud.

Idk, maybe fundamental policy statements - “the holocaust was real”, “first strike use of nuclear weapons is abhorrent, inhumane, and we will never advocate for it”. If you want to be part of our organisation and have our support, you sign on in support of our fundamental position and if you go against that in public we’ll kick you out, pull our financial support, and run someone else against you next election
Nuke the world. End all problems.

What an incredible idea, right? And then there won’t be any negative aftermath like radiation or anything, right? Right?!

Asshole.

As I understand the geography, nuking Gaza would also irradiate a portion of Israel, so its not realistic anyway. I agree that genocide is asshole behavior.
Does he also pass out pamphlets on eating babies?
Ten bucks says he has snuff porn on his D drive...

Yo fuck the world rn.

No o e is good. I mean there’s a clearly less evil side but that side is clearly evil as fuck

Guillotines are easy to make.

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Those voting third party are ushering these guys in.
One of these guys is already in the white house.
no, they’re not. the people voting for these guys are the ones ushering them in. people voting for a so-called third party are voting against these guys
No, sadly with the way US voting works at the moment the chances of a third party winning is microscopic, so voting for a third party is only taking votes away from the only party that stands a chance of beating the republicans. Statistically third party voters would be more likely to vote democratic than republican if they didn’t have a third party option, so in reality the more people voting third party the more they’re helping republicans with. It sucks but that’s the reality.

voting for a third party is only taking votes away from the only party…

no. the votes belong to the voter, not a party, and its up to politicians to earn those votes.

Statistically third party voters would be more likely to vote democratic than republican if they didn’t have a third party option,

i haven’t voted for a democrat for president in over a decade and i’m not starting again this year.

You know politics isn’t like sports, right? You don’t identify with a team but instead you vote to get rid of cruel fatcat racists and replace them with people who will actually benefit the country.
I’d have voted for Bernie in 2016, and he ran as a democrat
biden helped get us a country that elected Trump.
You know Trump was first elected BEFORE Biden was president, right?
I think they are referring to Biden being a career politician.
Among a hoard of other career politicians, he is not solely responsible for Trump being elected in any way shape or form.
No argument from me. It’s just a sentiment I’ve heard from other people. It’s not completely empty of reason, but I’d say it’s way down on the list, with the outdated electoral college, and the Republican undermining of education, far right vitriolic propaganda and dog-whisling for racists, nazis and christian nationalists being towards the top.
Like who?
Like the majority of representatives and senators? Not to mention stopping the return of Mango Mussolini? Jeez, do we really have to spell this out for you?

I was wondering who would actually benefit the country.

(I dont see how that can ever happen until lobbyist bribery is utterly abolished and criminalized)

Oh. Yeah in the US, the electoral system doesn’t really allow for that. All you can vote for is less evil, embodied by the Democratic party. I’ve been fortunate enough to experience different political systems, and I’m glad I can live elsewhere.

the more people voting third party the more they’re helping republicans win

only votes for republicans help republicans win

As much as it would be nice if the world worked that way, that’s not how the world works unfortunately.
it is. a vote for Cornel West must be counted for Cornel West, not any other candidate
Your votes don’t exist in a vacuum. There absolutely needs to be election reform to make third party voting a more viable option instead of a liability, but it hasn’t happened yet so for now you live in a reality where you’re voting in an imperfect system and trying to will the fantasy of a perfect system into existence isn’t helping anyone.
Can you explain why the voting system is this way in states democrats fully control?

I’m happy to inform you that there are Democrat-controlled states and localities that have successfully passed ranked-choice voting.

And there are states that have BANNED ranked-choice voting as well. I’ll let you guess which party was behind those.

So does this change your stance on whether Democrats are doing anything to change first-past-the-post voting systems?

…wikipedia.org/…/Ranked-choice_voting_in_the_Unit…

Ranked-choice voting in the United States - Wikipedia

Not in an effective way.
the ethics are in the act itself, not in the consequences.
The ethics don’t matter if you don’t get the outcome you want… The ends do not justify the means here.
deontological ethics are unconcerned with ends. the act itself is either ethical or unethical.
That’s not how the US electoral system works. If the vote turns out 49%/48%/3%, then the guy with 49% wins. Unless your 3rd party is polling in the mid forties (and is therefore not a 3rd party) all you are doing is vote splitting

You keep assuming that third party voters will vote for your guy. They very well may vote against him, if at all.

I dont think you understand anything about third party voters.

there is no reason to believe someone voting for a so-called third party would vote for another politician. it’s not as though we don’t know they exist, and haven’t been browbeaten repeatedly about this.
ETA on Ranked choice voting being implemented in blue states?
Do the work for third parties between elections. That’s when the hard-fought progress is made toward rising platforms and ideas. Vote third party in primaries. Attend third party meetings and help organize. But don’t make the work to spread new ideas and build other options even harder by allowing democracy to creep further backward and affect up to 35+ years of judicial decisions.

Do the work for third parties between elections.

i have more important work to do than building a party