American intelligence withheld information on Moscow terror attacks out of fear of exposing intelligence sources or methods
> The adversarial relationship between Washington and Moscow prevented U.S. officials from sharing any information about the plot beyond what was necessary, out of fear Russian authorities might learn their intelligence sources or methods.
The US publicly said that there was an increased risk in Moscow for the 48 hours following March 7th. Whether they privately said anything more is unknown (neither side is too eager to share).
Indeed, for the 48 hours following March 7th, security at places like Crocus City Hall was ramped up.
There’s a purposeful twist of language by you.
The way they used “we” simply implies they are a citizen of the US, not that they are an agent of the US gov security apparatus.
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The US has funded and trained ISIS through the CIA since their inception, and is responsible for its creation in the first place.
The US is also directly responsible for the creation of Al Qaeda. Unfortunately another country’s citizens are paying the price this time.
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Yes. In fact, I would happily sacrifice the life of every single American spy abroad for a single innocent life. And you are a bad person if you wouldn’t.
And this is ignoring the fact that you are completely making up that a better warning would have “doomed them to certain death”.
Presumably there’s 100s of spies you would kill all of them to spare one life?
Thats 100s of families torn apart 1000s of people for one person.
So trolly problems a no brainer for you?
It’s the life of someone going about their existence, trying to enjoy a performance vs the lives of people who willingly signed up for a dangerous job to serve the world’s bloodiest empire.
Thinking you can do morality with numbers is sociopath behavior.
I would happily sacrifice the life of every single […] And you are a bad person if you wouldn’t.
…says everything one needs to know about your morals and your attempts at manipulation.
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On a seperate note, brain size does not relate to intelligence.
Pretty sure my morals are just fine if I pick 2 when push comes to shove
I would not “happily” sacrifice anyone’s life. How about that? Anyway, Russia obviously didnt take the threat seriously and that was the actual issue.
But even in your case of letting all the spies be killed to save one civilian, it would in the end result in more dead civilians because if a country does that to its own spies, nobody will want to be a spy for them anymore, thus less “protection” overall.
But even in your case of letting all the spies be killed to save one civilian, it would in the end result in more dead civilians because if a country does that to its own spies, nobody will want to be a spy for them anymor
Ridiculous from top to bottom.
First, you’re taking the U.S. at its word that there was anyone on its side in real danger here. There is no reason to trust the U.S. here, and many reasons to think they’re lying – they’re fighting a proxy war against Russia, after all.
Second, it’s laughable to take the premise of additional intelligence possibly endangering some spy and turning that into "this would kill all U.S. spies.
Finally, the U.S. has fucked over countless lackeys in the past and will continue to do so. Dying for your country is what these people already signed up for, and there will be more meat for the grinder whatever happens to a spy here or there, because of a million reasons, but mostly because who the hell is telling recruits about some active spy that gets burned?
First, you’re taking the U.S. at its word that there was anyone on its side in real danger.
No, but the statement we are discussing assumes this from the start: “I would happily sacrifice the life of every single American spy abroad for a single innocent life.”
Second, it’s laughable to take the premise of additional intelligence possibly endangering some spy and turning that into “this would kill all U.S. spies.”
Yeah but we’re discussing the case where it would kill all spies. My statement was in response to (I repeat): “I would happily sacrifice the life of every single American spy abroad for a single innocent life.”
Finally, the U.S. has fucked over countless lackeys in the past and will continue to do so. Dying for your country is what these people already signed up for
Yeah but this is not “dying for your country” (it wouldnt benefit the USA in any way) but rather “dying for a single civilian of an adversary country”. They didnt sign up for that.
No, but the statement we are discussing
I don’t care about impossible thought experiments
I don’t care about impossible thought experiments
Then don’t comment on one and don’t waste my time telling me that my answer to a morality question is “ridicolous” because it didn’t happen.
Lmao waste your time? You’re on a shitposting forum, you’re doing that yourself.
I didn’t pose any hypotheticals, I pointed out that your weepy moralizing over the idea of endangering spies is ludicrous.
No, you tried shifting the discussion and when I told you what was being discussed, you simply said you’re uninterested.
First, you’re taking the U.S. at its word that there was anyone on its side in real danger.
No I’m not. I never claimed anyone was in danger.
Second, it’s laughable to take the premise of additional intelligence possibly endangering some spy and turning that into “this would kill all U.S. spies.”
Yeah it is and nobody did. I certainly didnt.
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