WaffelsonNow my arch is bloated more than the default ubuntu
š same for me
You can use window managers instead of DEs. While I prefer DEs because how much features they have you may not need these features
why not both š
Lunya \ she/ityouāre only using one at a time.
Am I?!?
well, iām not. thatās for sure. also i like the freedom of choice at every login as the spaghetti monster intended
This is the way.
Install tiling wm, because I canāt without anymore. I stall a DE, because I actually like the discoverability of graphical settings programs.
leaInstructions unclear, installed sway and 50 utilities for it.
smh get real, install Hyprland and 50 utilities for it (30 of those are sway utilities)
But at least you donāt need to use a stupidly long argument to start it (I know both donāt really have support but sway runs it in your face even more than normal) because you canāt quite be as choosy with laptops as you can be with desktopsā¦
I havenāt had laptop-related issues on either
Have fun with TWM I guess
Donāt install neofetch, so many dependencies.
starmanBut how would he show that he uses Arch, without Neofetch?
devfuuuCat /etc/os-release ?
uname -a ?
PantherinaNeofetch is unmaintained btw, fastfetch is a good replacementā¦ for whoever needs that. I wrote my own tool for getting system info and I like my terminals to have free space
56!oh no! not unmaintained! The unmaintenance gremlins are going to implement so many bugs and vulnerabilities!
Is it unmaintained completely or just feature complete and not getting recent updates?
Iāve seen people say āthis tool isnāt being maintained because there arenāt recent check insā and those two things are very different.
It is written in Bash which I guess makes it pretty high level and stable. Until it breaks it shouldnt need much work.
Bash is damn slow though, so fastfetch (mainly in C) is way better for the āarch flexā
WDYM? The only listed dependency is bash
swab148Bash is bloat
massive_bereavementFlatpaks have helped me a lot reducing bloat, avoiding dependency hell.
That said, probably there's some overlapping dependencies that, if installed in a different way I could save some space, but it's not worth it in my opinion.
I'm also using rootless podman+systemd for certain services, but that's been a mixed bag compared with plain old docker or LXC.
TrickDacyI thought the number one drawback to flatpaks is that theyāre enormous because each one includes all its own dependencies
No, same dependencies get deduplicated
Ah interesting. Good to know. Thank you
But you need at least one runtime right? How much overlap is it between whatās included in the base install and the runtime?
we are all runtimes on this blessed day
Flatpak is like the most bloated thing ever because of the runtime and all the dependencies it needs.
I did a test, flatpak with just firefox installed used 3 GiB of space.
While 15 appimages that includes heavy applications like libreoffice, kdenlive and two web browsers uses 1.2GiB.
Started playing with arch this week for the first time. Got a pretty good laugh when I realized that I forgot to install a dhcp client and had to boot the install media again to add networking.
I appreciate what theyāre doing and Iām going to keep poking at it, but my first impression is that philosophy is driving and the utility is in the back seat.
So just run archinstall Personally as a relative newbie I found arch a lot easier to deal with than fedora and ubuntu, both of which have had me in dependency hell on previous attempts to switch to linux. Not only that but I have a much better idea of what makes up my system.
I think itās important to do it all manually once. But, after that thereās no reason not to use archinstall, at all.
Itās definitely a philosophy, and you have to understand the implications. But Iām not sure utility is in the back seat. Itās just that you personally own your own config.
I never understand this obsession with ābloatā when you can buy a 1 TB SSD for ā¬ 50.
nitrolifeor you canāt by if youāre not successful enough or youāre in the wrong country. For example, in my country, the minimum cost of a 1TB SSD is about $85 and a salary of $2,000 is considered a very successful salary at the upper limit
bro a 256 gb ssd here costs 200+
Thatās wild. I just bought several recently for $20 ea
Do you live in North Korea?
of course, how else would i use lemmy?
That sounds insane, are computer parts in general that much more expensive that other countries?
For me itās not about the size, itās about the understanding. Iād really like to understand what everything on my system does and why itās there. It seems impossible with modern systems. Back in the '90s I needed a secure email relay - it had lilo, kernel, init, getty, bash, vi, a few shell utils (before busyboxā¦), syslogd and sendmail. Iām not sure any more as it was a long time ago, but I think I even statically linked everything so there was no libc. I liked that system.
Iād like to know more about what my system does, so I can fix it when it breaks.
Bloat is more about performances
So you have a folder and need to find a specific file from it. Would it be faster to find the file when there are 5 folders or 500?
It seems to be seen across all platforms.
What I find interesting is that no one is asking about the quality of code, nor do they seem concerned about the dependencies but they do care about that one package/app/program of any size they see and donāt immediately know why itās there.
Itās not about storage. Itās about complexity getting back at you, like not knowing what caused a problem because multiple programs are stepping on each others feet
For me it was a problem with update frequency and how long they would take. Once i got rid of my flatpaks and moved to stable firefox i update once a week instead of daily now and it takes seconds instead of minutes. Probably also solvable with auto updates.
DefederateLemmyMlBloat multiplies when you have to back it up.
You realize you donāt have to backup the actual ābloatedā programs. Just maybe their configs and any files those programs generate that youād like to keep, right?
I remember what my idea of making backups was when I was a wee grasshopper.
Making a backup of the whole OS instead of just the configs and user files.
I have come a long way since then.
Thatās committing the cardinal sin of cherrypicking your backup contents. You may end up forgetting to include things that you didnāt know you needed until restore time and youāre creating a backup that is cumbersome to restore. Always remember: you should really be creating a restore strategy rather than a backup strategy.
As a general rule I always backup the filesystem wholesale, optionally exclude things of which Iām 100% sure that I donāt need it, and keep multiple copies (daylies and monthlies going some time back) so I always have a complete reference of what my system looked like at a particular point in time, and if push comes to shove I can always revert to a previous state by wiping the filesystem and copying one of the backups to it.
Snaps still take longer to load with that.
Agility0971Itās not always about storage. It can also be more processes that drains battery, more attack vectors etc.
I mean - you control what gets installed on Arch. One finger pointing at arch is three pointing back in this scenarioā¦
I donāt think the finger is being pointed at Arch though
You also control whatās being installed on other distros. In fact, other distros split their packages in a way more modular way which allows one to pick and choose what one needs granularly. In Arch, the package count is lower because the maintainers donāt split stuff up. But you get all the so called bloat when you installna regular package
And youād have to try pretty hard to make it as infested with snaps.
āļø-mfs with a 16 core cpu, 64gb ram and 10tb storage be like