Noam auf Gleis 13Mar 26, 2024

Heute vor 50 Jahren ist einer der spezielleren Unfälle der Bahngeschichte (zumindest für die Schweiz) passiert. Der "Hispania-Express" ist auf dem Weg von Cerbère nach Hamburg in Choindez auf der Jurabahn entgleist. Während der Zugdurchfahrt wurde fälschlicherweise eine Weiche umgestellt und der @diningcar "driftete" einige Kilometer auf zwei paralellen Gleisen mit den beiden Drehgestellen auf verschiedenen Gleisen. (1/2)

Archivbild via Le Quotidien Jurassien

Show threadSebastian Wilken
@AufGleis13 @diningcar Wow, allein schon der Zuglauf Cerbère–Hamburg. Das waren andere Zeiten.
Mar 27, 2024 at 5:40amWeb
Show threadNoam auf Gleis 13Mar 27, 2024
@sebwilken @diningcar Und alles mit Speise-, Schlaf- und Liegewagen!
Show threadTor LillqvistMar 27, 2024
@sebwilken @AufGleis13 @diningcar In the sixties the Hispania Express apparently even had a few direct carriages all the way to København. It is hard to find information about the exact composition during various years. Somebody really needs to scan old Cook's Timetable books and make available...
Show threadSebastian WilkenMar 27, 2024
@tml @AufGleis13 @diningcar Would actually be great to digitise them and make them searchable, too. Maybe a collaborative effort of the train bubble?
Show threadTor LillqvistMar 27, 2024

@sebwilken @AufGleis13 @diningcar There are some sites with some random information. Ones that come to mind:

Mainly British timetables. Some free, some not: https://timetableworld.com

Swedish timetables: https://www.ekeving.se/hi/SJdok/tdt/PUtl/index.html

Timetable World – Historical transport timetables and maps

Show threadMartin HoffmannMar 27, 2024
@tml @sebwilken @AufGleis13 @diningcar Fondazione FS has all their archived editions of Italy’s monthly Orario Generale scanned and available: https://www.archiviofondazionefs.it/
Show threadNoam auf Gleis 13Mar 27, 2024
@tml @sebwilken @diningcar Interesting. Info is indeed hard to come by, but I found out that it ran Cér-Cph from 1963 to 1969, then until 1988 to Hamburg, until 1996 to Basel and until 2001 to Genève.
Show threadMartin HoffmannMar 27, 2024
@tml @sebwilken @AufGleis13 @diningcar At least the books exist and are archived. If you want to look at todays timetables twenty years hence, there’s a good chance there’ll be nothing.
Show threadSebastian WilkenMar 27, 2024
@partim @tml @AufGleis13 @diningcar European Rail Timetable is still available as a hard copy: https://www.europeanrailtimetable.eu/
European Rail Timetable

Concise printed timetables, maps and guides for rail services in Europe

European Rail Timetable
Show threadMartin HoffmannMar 27, 2024

@sebwilken @tml @AufGleis13 @diningcar Yeah, but if you want to look up last year’s timetable for a regional line somewhere in, say, Germany, things become tricky.

Perhaps someone should start archiving the timetable datasets published due to EU regulation.

Show threadSimonMar 27, 2024
@partim @sebwilken @tml @AufGleis13 @diningcar I mean everyone except DB puts handy pdf files of their timetables on their website, so if they're being crawled often by Timetable Archive, there's a good chance they're still accessible. And for DB I guess there's people who download everything in the kursbuch.bahn.de every year
Show threadMartin HoffmannMar 27, 2024
@simonschre @sebwilken @tml @AufGleis13 @diningcar Basing this archive off the EU-required data is slightly more convenient since it is easier to get the full set rather than having to remember which private railways exist and if and how they publish timetables (and where it has gone in this week’s website restructuring).
Show threadAlan GrantMar 27, 2024
@simonschre
@partim @sebwilken @tml @AufGleis13 @diningcar Does Renfe do this? I know the PDFs exist as I have seen some linked here, but always with a complex url that I don't know how to generalise. I don't seem to be able to navigate to this on the website, only to timetables for specific station pairs.
Show threadSimonMar 27, 2024
@alan @partim @sebwilken @tml @AufGleis13 @diningcar If was specifically talking about non-DB railways within Germany. I don't know about Renfe 😅
Show threadAlan GrantMar 27, 2024

@simonschre
@partim @sebwilken @tml @AufGleis13 @diningcar Oh, I misunderstood the thread context!

Anyway, at risk of derailing (ahem) the thread, if anyone else happens to know I would be interested.

Show threadMichael Ummels (Trassenfinder)Mar 27, 2024

@partim @sebwilken @tml @AufGleis13 @diningcar Historic timetables for German long-distance trains can be found here.

https://www.fernbahn.de/datenbank/suche/

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