boemTwelve years after the death of Steve Jobs, the cracks are starting to appear at Apple
Yeah but in a person meetings are at an all time high and anonymous sticks of deoderant being left on peoples’ desks is at an all time low.
His notebook finally empty?
His notebook empty. Jobs, when the infinite loop fell!
e8d79Maybe Apple will have their Balmer moment but, as much as I would like to see that, I don’t expect it any time soon.
randomasideBig companies with no vision of the future are often ripe for disruptive tech to harvest. We’ll see what happens. The apple “visio pro”" is not the future of the company.
kingthrillgoreThe Apple Car was the hint the wheels fell off, because it was out of scope for Apple’s focus. And the Vision Pro is the next biggest one, because Steve haaaaaaated wearable computing.
Meh, when you have a chip that powerful and that energy efficient, trying something in wearable computing is a no brainer imo.
Trying, not releasing
I still don’t know who wants wearable tech. Just using my phone can be painful at times. Notifications after notifications. Enable cookies, mark as read that work email, deal with the emoji in the group chat, ignore that spam call voicemail, ignore that update, dismiss that missed alarm, read the notification from my kid’s school that the PTO meeting was moved…
Now imagine you can’t just put it down. It is right there screaming for your attention. Just emails alone probably eat 10% or more of my working day. The very last thing I want is the screaming notifications to be on face in my field of vision.
Plus that thing is going to smell like ass in a month.
Wearable computing does not have to be a VR device, and it can be anything with a sensor, a cpu, gpu and networking features. Apple has at least one succesful wearable computing device, the apple watch. I am not touching vr anyway, it look pointless in nature and gives simulation sickness.
he also hated non-skeuomorphic design, and yet here we are for the better in a world where we’ve moved on from that dated concept
just because he didn’t like something doesn’t make it wrong for apple to pursue
It only seems dated because everyone had this shitty flat interface crazy in the early to mid 2010s. Nowadays new, somewhat flat, but also skeuomorphic design languages like Fluent and Material 3
personally, i can’t stand either fluent or material either - the modern components and design language i keep coming back to is ant.design
anything skeuomorphic is just a huge waste of space - they add so much detail to the screen that has no function other than signaling “real world” application
WASTE OF SPACE? skeuomorphic designs were absolutely packed with information, nowadays we have shitty interfaces with almost no information (because the silicon valley arts graduates think people are too dumb to comprehend data) and lots of shitty pure white/pure black no gradient blank space.
You can criticize skeuomorphic design for lots of things but lack of information density ain’t one
topinambour_rexLol, the crack appeared as soon after his death. Steve Jobs : no ipad air, no dividend for the share holders.
Guess what been announced in the months following his death.
dan1101Feels more like 20.
VaggumonThe cracks have been visible for a very long time, most fanboys don’t want to see them though.
The cracks in this case are really that governments will no longer support the model that Apple created.
linearchaosCracks? Cracks! These are not cracks, these are features of our product. Their features of our business! It’s what differentiates us from the fractured Windows and Android communities. You want these crac…err features, you need them because it makes our products better.
/s
The cracks have been visible on just about every teen girl’s iphone screen.
Steve Jobs was a piece of shit human being who contributed nothing to technology.
That said, he was a hell of a skilled bullshitter/marketer. Most people fucking looooove to be bullshitted, and Americans more than most.
It’s why we elect virtually no wonks/technocrats, even though thats who we should elect almost exclusively. We’d rather some snake oil motherfucker sell us on magical lies while telling us we’re pretty.
I’ve never complimented, or defended Steve Jobs before, because he was a grade A piece of shit…but, Steve Jobs transformed technology precisely because he was a phenomenal salesman, with a great eye for technical talent.
Just because he wasn’t an engineer, doesn’t change the fact that he forged Apple into what it became, and that absolutely contributed to significantly to modern technology - for better, and worse.
I think marketers should get to take credit for ad campaigns they create, and engineers should get to take credit for technology they create.
Capitalists just want to take the credit for what others do. Societal leeches. I don’t buy into their false narrative that providing the means of production they hoard out of greed means they deserve most to all of the credit for what they permit talented people to engineer and produce by the swear of their brow and the migraines of their solutions.
We should be rewarding the Teslas of the world for what they invent, and punishing the Edisons that would claim other’s inventions as their own. But we suck, so we won’t.
Moving goalpost?
You said he didn’t contribute to technology, so I pointed out that he’s responsible for Apple becoming what it became, which itself transformed technology.
Now, you’re saying he shouldn’t get technical credit for…making the iPhone?
Okay…I never said he should…but it you want to go down that path, he was very hands-on with in the design processes for two of their most pivotal products: the iMac and iPod.
Again, he was a grade-A douche bag, who died a fucking hilariously stupid death, but that doesn’t erase, or override his impact.
If you want to congratulate his corpse for what he didn’t engineer or design, go ahead.
It has nothing to do with congratulating.
You made a false statement, and then moved the goalpost (motte and bailey) when I pointed it out.
Simple as that.
I think the argument is that the motivations society allowed him under capitalism are what drew him to do what he did, not just that he was some brilliant asshole but that he wanted to own the work those beneath him had done.
Lots of us who have spent our lives being told “yeahuh but that’s how it’s supposed to work!” probably have a hard time grappling the concept that just because it turns out good sometimes doesn’t mean we can’t do better.
So to the original point of the rebuttal - we’re lucky it only turned out like it did, and not way way worse (and some other high-on-capital folks have been busy proving that lately…)
Just because he wasn’t an engineer, doesn’t change the fact that he forged Apple into what it became,
I think the big complaint about Jobs is not the lack of engineering skills, but that he got where he did through deception, taking advantage of people, and often treating folks like garbage. To many of us, the ends don’t justify the means.
Steve Jobs could sell his turds to the Apple fanboys, and they would eat it up.
Doesn’t mean what he sold is some culinary dish or he a master chef. Just that he could sell them whatever he wants, no matter what it was. Whether it was technology or not.
The irony here is that you’re a cliche anti-Apple fanboy, and I don’t even use Apple products.
So blinded by your dork rage, that you missed the entire point of this little comment thread.
What’s even funnier, is that you also proved my point.
After listening to the recent Behind the Bastards episode on him, yeah absolutely. It’s amazing his legacy isn’t judged more harshly.
He’s one of those people who died at the right time to preserve their own legacies, before public reckonings for non illegal bad behavior became common.
I guess he died more or less pre-Twitter, so that’s something. He’d have a different legacy otherwise.
Harvey Dent: You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself to become the villain.
Steve Jobs: Bet.
I work in tech and specialize in Apple hardware. I get really sick of industry folks talking about Jobs as being inspiring and other nonsense. No, he was an asshole and we should not celebrate him.
It’s amazing his legacy isn’t judged more harshly.
Have you read the rest of this thread?
These comments aren’t reflective of mainstream views or silicon valley views where people aspire to be like Jobs. They’re not even representative of the linked article.
It’s also partially because any decent engineer/technocrat both lacks sufficient charisma and cash flow, and more importantly looks at public service and says “there’s no reliable way I can keep my morals and make a difference there.” As an engineer myself, I can’t imagine dealing with the general public. Choosing the correct, logical path will never win over people who put opinions and faith/feelings over reasoning and science. We’ve seen it time and time again and I’m not going to bang my head against that wall.
Instead I help friends and family, contribute to open source and projects I believe in and be the change I want to see in the world. Trying to do that as an elected official would foster insanity and pushback from those who don’t care and only want their side to win, regardless of the overall outcome.
Also: yes SJ was a POS, but he was a POS with charisma, a plan, and smart enough to surround himself with people who could make his ideas happen… and then micromanage them.
wonks/technocrats
…Knowledge Fight-like typing detected?
I had the same thought!
who contributed nothing to technology.
If it wasn’t for jobs Wozniak would still be putting breadboards together in his garage. We have no idea what the personal computer ecosystem would have looked like without the apple 2. He gets a lot more credit than he deserves sometimes but the idea that he contributed nothing is absurd. If he had contributed nothing you wouldn’t know his name.
Steve Jobs was an awful person, the brand was already cracked
Transporter Room 3“starting to”
Lol
This article is garbage. The only thing that Steve Jobs did was have ideas and enough narcissism to force them on other people. Engineers and designers far smarter than he did the actual work.
To be fair, he also had an eye for good product design. Not the skills to implement it but the ability to see whether a design is good.
Of course he expressed this skill by yelling at his engineers and designers. A lot. Because he was an asshole.
People need to stop holding Jobs up as some deity of tech. He was a marketing and hype man that was in the right place at the right time and knew how to take advantage of that luck. Nothing more, nothing less. It is equally possible his leadership style would have squandered the opportunities Apple has has had since his death had it been him and not Cook in charge.
By any metric other than “line must always go up” Apple is doing just fine.
“Oh no, they haven’t found another multi billion dollar product to release since the iPhone, even though there are no signs that the iPhone won’t continue to be a very profitable business for years and years to come…”, the horror.
To be fair, we saw formerly what Apple without jobs did, it was a failure. So one might wonder when the new Apple might run out. The catch being that the iPhone, app store, and iTunes are all indefinite money machines, except maybe iPhone one day. So they had a steak of ever increasingly wildly successful products that culminated in the iPhone and then no mind blowing follow-up, but they don’t need one. Folks may like the narrative that Jobs death coincided with their last big product category though
We also saw Jobs without Apple, also pretty much a failure.
NeXT was successful at being an application for the position of CEO at apple.
NeXT was a mediocre BSD front end and series of Objective-C libraries. Apple’s board of directors pretty much crawled back to Jobs hat in hand after the disasters of Sculley and Spindler.
He was very much the Elon Musk of his times, and it’s very possible he would have gone down the same route of extremist views and decisions that completely failed because of his egoism.
He died because he didn’t listen to his doctor’s advice. That is somewhat extreme.
Had pancreatitis because of his diet. A diet in which he thought would magically avoid creating body odor.
It turned into cancer. He lucked out that it was a rare form of treatable pancreatic cancer with a 90% survival rate 5 years out. Which is abnormal as most forms of pancreatic are essentially a death sentence. Survival rate past 3 years is under 10% for the more common variants.
Stuck to his diet anyway. Ignored his doctors. Died to an illness he had a 90% chance of beating because he knew better.
Nobody ever said smart people can’t be stupid too.
KushanAnd to top it all off, it didn’t help his body odour at all. He stank.
CALIGVLAI see you also listen to Behind The Bastards.
Actually no, I think it’s a well enough known thing though. But for sure he was a right cunt.
Kinda crazy, because we figured out deodorant a while ago.
And that 90% is average number, it’s quite possible that with his money that number would be higher…
He also jumped the line to get a liver transplant once he, presumably, decided maybe there’s a chance the diet thing wouldn’t work out.
Died shortly thereafter, wasting a perfectly good liver.
A diet in which he thought would magically avoid creating body odor.
Those of us who have this problem know that your diet really does affect that. Actually others can sometimes say what we’ve eaten a few hours before.
However, Jobs’ case is kinda extreme, usually eating less sugar and fat and more carbs is kinda sufficient.