jeze64What is Fediverse, precious!?
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LMAO, didn’t scroll far enough in the readme to see that image.
WeirdAlex03I think someone did make a proxy or something to interact with fedi through email, so, technically, yes, you can fediverse with your gmails
But can the Fediverse run Doom?
I know it cannot, at this time, run Crysis.
I honestly don’t like the email analogy. I mean, there are no email servers that are defederated or something. “Why don’t you answer my mails?” “Oh, you have a gmail adress? That’s banned on my instance, sorry, not my fault.”
But until I find a better one, I will continue using it.
Sounds like federation could solve spam!
J/k
That is literally a thing you know…
snooggumsEmail domains regularly block specific email servers or even servers based on location. That is how the vast, vast majority of spam from foreign countries is blocked.
That is the same concept as defederation.
I honestly don’t like the email analogy. I mean, there are no email servers that are defederated or something.
Here is a list to defederate with some email servers : www.spamhaus.org/faqs/spamhaus-blocklist/
The email analogy is bad and needs to end. People hear email and think it’s like email, they don’t hear the technical how-it-works.
People don’t need to know the inner workings to use it. Just tell them it’s social media. If you need more, say it’s lots of different servers that talk to each other.
The email comparison is good, if you focus on what is actually being compared and not anything else about emails.
That’s the exact problem, people think about emails. You know, text and addresses and inbox and CC. They don’t focus or know or understand the technical comparison. They’ve never had to think about it before. I’s the exact wrong way to try to introduce them to fediverse. Don’t even say fediverse, just say Lemmy or whatever else.
The fediverse is like how you can send an email from your work to your personal account because the two email servers have a way to talk to each other. It isn’t like Facebook or Instagram where you can only send messages to people on the same platform.
How is that not a good analogy?
Ok I’ve explained this twice, so this will be my last attempt. Because people hear the word “email” and upon hearing the word “email” they, wait for it, think it’s email. You know, the email they’ve used for 20 years. Once they hear the word “email” they stop hearing anything else. They heard the word “email” and have automatically filled in the rest with their experiences of typing “dear madam blah blah blah best regards” and CC this person so they can see it. They have never thought about the inner workings of email with servers or intercommunication.
People do not need to know about the inner workings of email or lemmy in order to use them. Trying to explain the inner workings before they even start is entirely unnecessary. Trying to explain it is not necessary. And trying to explain with a different service like email is even worse, well because of what I wrote above.
A comparison isn’t bad just because some people have trouble with listening to the end of a sentence.
The explanation is bad. When you lead people into things that you really should know they will automatically fill in with their prior experiences.
That is true of absolutely every comparison.
Compare it social media and they will fill it in with their experiences with social media. Infinitely better and more accurate for the user experience. Alright I think I’m out.
Except social media platforms don’t communicate with each other, which is the reason for the email comparison.
Congratulations on coming out!
You are one of the most stubbornly dense people I’ve ever come across. Lemmy is nothing like email.
FinishingDutchThe analogy certainly worked for me when I first read up on it. “Oh, different servers speaking the same language so they can communicate even though they’re separate entities”.
I imagine the only people who are really confused by it are the ones who simply cannot grasp analogies in general.
There sure are a lot of people who are focused on everything except the actual comparison.
If someone said that Diet Coke and Diet Sprite tasted awful because of the artificial sweetners they would just argue that the comparison is confusing because Coke is a dark color and Sprite is clear!
Those are both carbonated sodas though, they perform largely the same function. Unlike email vs social media, which perform entirely different roles.
OMG, you can’t just compare two colors of soda!
Because you’re not sending messages to other people, you’re posting on an open forum. The user experience is totally different to email.
Focus on everything except the actual comparison challenge successful!
A lot of people in this thread have never had to explain some piece of tech to someone who doesn’t really get technology, and it shows. Your explanation would just confuse most people.
So don’t explain anything at all ever. Gotcha.
Interesting takeaway, but in your case possibly the right one.
Because it explains the stuff regular users don’t care about.
Why would they care which server has the content they want to see? They don’t do so now. They just want the content.
Call it a free social media with no ads or algorithms. And you will get a much better response.
It’s an apt analogy - that’s why it keeps being used. Anyone can run their own email server, and federate by accepting emails from other email servers.
“The Fediverse” is just reinventing the wheel. It’s basically just publicly viewable email.
The problem is people think it’s email. I don’t blame them, they hear email and they think email.
They don’t think or hear the technical explanation and workings of: “Anyone can run their own email server, and federate by accepting emails from other email servers.” It’s not how the vast, vast majority of people work.
Why do they need to? We hide the technical and inner workings of most things, because half the population is too stupid to understand it. It doesn’t mean they can’t use it. Look at lemmy for instance. I’d be willing to be 99% of the people here couldn’t set up a lemmy instance for themselves.
??? That’s exactly what I’m saying. We don’t need to explain the inner workings with bad comparisons to email. Just tell them to browse or make an account.
But people need something to compare it to. They don’t know why the fediverse is something they should want.
The email comparison is to explain that they can participate anywhere, it’s not to fundamentally portray the inner workings of it; but just to approximate it on a surface level.
Tell them it’s Social media. For why they might want it: it’s not controlled by a corporation.
What you think is surface level is the inner working. Surface level to normal people is the user interface. The surface level of Lemmy for instance is it’s like social media. Just like the surface level of emails is “dear sir blah blah blah regards” and cc this person. You say email and they think of that surface level. Talking about how it works with intercommunication between instances like email intercommunicates is literally the inner working. And leads to the exact content of the meme, you should reread it. Ok I’m just repeating myself so that I’m out.
Signing up is the first interaction you have; thus my opinion that it’s surface-level.
I mean the response of the curious even would probally be “you can run your own email server?”.
Except it’s nothing whatsoever like email, and you’re just confusing people.
Okay, it’s like a mailing list over email.
What you say in the Fediverse echoes everywhere else that is federated. Pick an instance you like and have fun.
MacedWindowI agree with you 100% and have made the same argument elsewhere. You’ve done a good job explaining and defending it. I usually just tell people it’s like reddit but not owned by one company. People who don’t really know what a server is can understand the appeal of that.
Captain AggravatedIf they’re that stupid they can stay out. I’m okay with a barrier to entry.
Are they showing up on instances that didn’t defederate? I thought that was a ways away for some reason.
manThe real question is why does threads even have users ? Like who is the target audience ?
Dr. WeskerThe only people out in the wild I’ve heard mention Threads, were of boomer age.
Shouldn’t boomers be on facebook or trying to ruin insta for the young ? Like threads do have better alternatives as it is the one of those time when zuck was kinda late with it.
Maybe Meta is pushing Threads heavily to the Facebook userbase. I’m uncertain, because I do not use either.
Yeah sounds like somethin zuck would do for sure.
They seem to push it harder on Instagram from what I’ve seen
The D QuuuuuillCasual Twitter users who left twitter after Musk took over but aren’t thinking all that hard about what it was specifically that Musk brings to the table that creates the problems. They just see someone else made a Twitter alike, and they already have an Instagram account, so they give it a shot.
All they know is the people they liked on twitter are gone, but that there were elements of the Twitter experience they liked
niftyWhy don’t they go to Mastodon or Blue Sky?
MrMakabarMastodon requires a bit more looking into to understand it. Blue Sky is probably the advertising.
Advertisment on other Meta platforms.
I’m still trying to figure that out. I’ve racked my brain but cannot come up with a solution. Time to turn to AI.
Google Gemini Advanced
Threads, the Instagram-connected messaging app, has a few key target user groups:
Users seeking a more focused social experience: Threads caters to people who want a way to stay closely connected with their close friends and family, without the distractions of a broader social network. Instagram power users: Threads is heavily integrated with Instagram. Users who actively engage on the platform (sharing Stories, responding to polls, etc.) are natural candidates for Threads, where they can extend those interactions. Younger demographics (Gen Z): Gen Z is highly active on Instagram and tends to be drawn towards new and experimental social media experiences. Threads appeals to this group as well. Privacy-conscious individuals: Threads offers more control over who sees your messages and activity compared to broader platforms like Twitter. This attracts those who value a more private social environment. Early adopters: People who enjoy trying out new apps and technologies often gravitate toward platforms like Threads. Here’s why these groups are a good fit for Threads:
Focused communication: Threads emphasizes streamlined communication with close friends, offering features like quick status updates and easy sharing of photos and videos. Instagram integration: If someone is already invested in Instagram, Threads is a natural extension for deeper connections with their inner circle. Youth appeal: Gen Z values authentic, in-the-moment communication styles. Threads fits well with this preference. Privacy emphasis: Threads allows users to curate their “Close Friends” list and provides extra control over who sees their content.
Privacy-conscious individuals
Yeah no . No one is there with privacy in mind.