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This is the guy who knew how to solder, not the guy who invented walled gardens
He’s still the guy making money off the slave labor Apple employs. Best thing he can do is shut up and play the role of the cool guy billionaire who isn’t out of touch, but defending China and tik tok doesn’t help his image
Calling out hypocrisy is not the same as defending China and TikTok.
TimeSquirrelAccording to what I just looked up, they pay him a weekly salary of $50 so he'll show up every so often for special events. Hardly raking in the big bucks.
Look at what they paid Steve Jobs
$10,200,000,000 net worth when he died in 2011.
It would take Woz 4 million years to make that much on what Apple currently pays him
theneverfoxHe’s not a billionaire - I’m pretty sure he got X million, then decided that he had enough
He weighs in frequently on technology issues, his takes aren’t always ideal, but he’s a consistent advocate in an area he’s qualified to have an opinion in. He also helped found the EFF
From Wikipedia:
Wozniak has discussed his personal disdain for money and accumulating large amounts of wealth. He told Fortune magazine in 2017, “I didn’t want to be near money, because it could corrupt your values … I really didn’t want to be in that super ‘more than you could ever need’ category.” He also said that he only invests in things “close to his heart”. When Apple first went public in 1980, Wozniak offered $10 million of his own stock to early Apple employees, something Jobs refused to do.
You guys fall for these fucks like Bill Gates as well, who have more money than you and your next 10 generations will ever need, and you defend them, why? He can talk about how much he hates being rich, but he’s still worth over 150 million cause he won’t give it up.
He gives just enough to keep the wolves at bay. But he’s just as bad as the rest.
Bill Gates as well, who have more money than you and your next 10 generations will ever need, and you defend them, why
Is having money a reason to attack a person?
Bill Gates? Fuck yes.
Woz is no fucking Gates.
So being Bill Gates is a reason to attack someone, as long as the person you’re attacking is Bill Gates?
Yes, if you see Bill Gates you should eat him.
Yes. A person like Gates only has as much as he does, because he stole it from the people below him. Every wage theft, underpaid worker, every instance of “just stick around another hour for free, for the team!”, is money that went into Gates pocket. He has that much wealth because he fucked everyone on the way up. I think it’s our duty to do harm to billionaires and the ultra rich. They are parasites, viruses on the human race.
And then you have Woz, who is an engineer, who shared his own stock with employees when Jobs declined to, who sold off his investments when he had enough money to live the rest of his life in the utmost luxury. Which stopped him considerably short of being a billionaire, people who continue to hoard amounts of wealth far beyond what a person could ever use (like Bill Gates)
Woz was an engineer who figured out how to make a computer run on televisions to make it more affordable for the average person. He worked for a living - comparing him to Bill Gates is unfair.
He actually did the thing, personally with his own hands. He isn’t rich because he exploited people, he’s rich despite others becoming far richer by exploiting his work
He did the thing that all billionaires should have done long before they became billionaires - he realized he had more than enough, and he stopped hoarding wealth.
I still think it’s a bit funny that someone on Apple’s payroll is being critical of another company’s shady business practices when they are essentially doing just as much shady shit with user data.
The guy who left and sold most of his stock in 1985 because he didn’t like Jobs doing exactly this kind of thing?
I didn’t say you had to find it funny. Humour is subjective. But go off.
Yeah but he doesn’t work there anymore, why would Apple lawyers be able to stop him from saying this?
See the below comments about what Apple still pays him as a founder.
$50 a week?
At this point I think you’re just being obtuse on purpose.
I’m not the other person. You said the comment under and that’s what it said.
You know what, you’re right. That’s fair. And yes, that is the comment I meant.
I’m listening to a 4 part Behind the Bastards on Steve Jobs right now, and Woz is presented like a pretty good dude, all things considered
No, we’re not going to ban League of Legends come on
tsonfeirAll profit social media should be held accountable for the content, and the accuracy of it. That’s what the money is for—moderation of disinformation and illegal content.
moderation of disinformation and illegal content
Those are strange names for yachts
☂️-that would be fine if they decided to apply it to all of it, not just tiktok
Man who profits from slave labor in China, is against China being fucked with. Why is this news?
Woz doesn’t profit from slave labor in China any more than any of us since he hasn’t actually worked for Apple since like 1985. Since then, he’s started a number of other companies doing a bunch of other stuff, like cleaning space junk most recently
Are you saying he doesn’t profit off apple as one of its largest shareholders?
That doesn’t count if he’s saying something I agree with
He was one of the largest shareholders. One third of the company in fact… but he sold most of those way back when they were worth almost nothing (as in hundreds of dollars). And as far as we know most of the rest of his shares since then were gifted to charities.
“I do not invest. I don’t do that stuff. I didn’t want to be near money because it could corrupt your values.” – Steve Wozniak
Some estimates put him at owning around $10m in shares today. He makes a good living doing speeches at universities/etc - that’s his primary wealth, not his shares in Apple.
Oh great. So we can be surrounded by clean space junk
Lmao, unironically made me laugh 😄
Ok ok ok
From a quick search:
According to Forbes, Steve Wozniak’s net worth is $140m, making him one of the wealthiest people in the tech industry. This wealth is primarily derived from his early involvement with Apple and his continued ownership of shares in the company.
Right, exactly. He could be worth billions if he wanted to, but he quit Apple early on. He still has shares of Apple which means he is worth that much, but he’s also given shares away to other Apple employees just because he believed they deserved them more. He does profit off slave labor in China, but my argument was that it’s not any more than the rest of us. Basically everyone participating in capitalism will benefit from its worst parts, but Steve Woz is not the poster child for capitalism, greed, or slave labor.
Are you saying “not any more than the rest of us” as in “lots of people own stocks or investment accounts and many of those are in businesses profiting from China”?
I think the difference for me is that he’s in a position to influence things since he’s famous, and he has a ton of money from it already.
Norms need to invest in stocks to be able to retire or afford healthcare. He has the luxury to not need to worry about any of this.
But more importantly, stock holders can absolutely (and should) criticize the companies which they hold stocks in. They have power to vote and influence their business decisions. Owning stock does not mean you have to agree with existing decisions.
ZomgMy man doesn’t even seethe name of the person, just the company he worked for… Over 30 years ago.
Bro, do some reading, it would help you.
He’s a major shareholder and has made over $150 million off his apple association. Stop defending the ultra rich, this guy would fuck and kill your children if it made him an extra buck, he doesn’t give a fuck about you. Don’t buy into their pr “I’m a good one” narratives
Can you cite a source for that?
He gave a lot of his stock to the workers/friends/fellow founders Steve Jobs deliberately screwed over when they went public.
He could have been a billionaire, as the engineer actually doing the work of early Apple, but he decided his coworkers deserved to share the profit.
Huh.
What does that sound like again?
A man that would fuck and eat my child for an extra dollar! /s
this guy would fuck and kill your children if it made him an extra buck, he doesn’t give a fuck about you.
Lol this is the most confidently incorrect statement about Woz I’ve ever read.
I agree.
I don’t use TikTok, I never have, I never will and I advice against anyone else doing so not only for privacy reasons but also the effect it has on mental health and attention span. I lose nothing if it gets banned - and I’m still against banning it. The only difference between TikTok and other social media platforms such as Twitter, Facebook and Instagram is that TikTok is Chinese owned. Do they actively influence western politics by it? Absolutely. We’d be doing the exact same thing if our platforms weren’t banned in China. If the US decides to ban it then that’s a move from the Chinese playbook. Don’t be like China.
I’ll refer you a video by Ryan McBeth. He gives some great insight on why the US is considering a ban.
TikTok is a Cyberweapon
Can you provide a tldr of the video?
I learned a trick to send videos to AI to summarize but it can’t do this video because there’s no captions.
The title of the video is pretty clear “TikTok is a Cyberweapon”.
It’s worth noting China has banned TikTok within their own country. Clearly they think it’s harmful.
China’s full of red flags these days
It’s the same thing, it’s just called Douyin instead.
This feels like a soft landing for Infowars.
He advertised a no-name VPN, do you trust that product with your traffic? The he goes on to cite a movie as a source. And then another one…
Dude I can’t even finish watching this.
I’m not saying he’s wrong, he’s just not credible. You can read citations from primary sources from politicians in actual news articles that are … shockingly … less hairbrained and more concise than this guy.
He works in the cyber security field… But whatever… I did my part and tried to inform… can’t help ya if ya dense.
Private Internet Access is not a no-name VPN. What are you on about?
If the US decides to ban it then that’s a move from the Chinese playbook. Don’t be like China.
It has a bit of the same vibe as the “tolerating intolerance” paradox.
It’s only a “paradox” if you start by defining tolerance as universally good.
Example: should you tolerate botflies living in your scalp?
MelllvarThe only difference between TikTok and other social media platforms such as Twitter, Facebook and Instagram is that TikTok is Chinese owned.
The law would also appy to Russia, Iran, and North Korea.
RealFknNitoHe’s right, we should ban Apple too if we’re getting rid of bullshit we shouldn’t trust.