@sj

as long as they do something about it

what you're describing, if it leads to cynicism and acceptance, is somewhat worse in many respects to being an outright fool

at least a fool has action in their repertoire

seeing the truth is not good enough

it has to be paired with a will to act

we live in a world with too many people who see the truth, and do nothing

and blind fools who know only lies, working hard to destroy our world

wisdom *must* be paired with action

@benroyce @sj

Good one from John Stuart Mill:

“Let not any one pacify his conscience by the delusion that he can do no harm if he takes no part, and forms no opinion. Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing. He is not a good man who, without a protest, allows wrong to be committed in his name, and with the means which he helps to supply, because he will not trouble himself to use his mind on the subject.”

@bytebro @sj

voting is all the action that is needed

but voting rates among the young are abysmal

voting is a responsibility and to not #vote means being an accessory to the worst of whoever wins an election. nonvoters, in my eyes, forfeit the right to complain about anything in politics

there is no such thing as detaching from the vote and absolving yourself of the sins of govt

that's not how reality works

there is no escape from the effects, so there is no absolution from participation

@paninid @benroyce @bytebro @sj false.

Not voting means that the options are equivalent.
Or that people can't vote safely.

If you want people to vote, you're going to need to give them a motive other than scapegoating.
Democrats in Congress need to start doing their damn jobs. Stop helping foreign theocracy commit genocide. Step up to the plate on preventing infections
Because right now democrats are trying everything possible to lose

@CatHat @paninid @bytebro @sj

ah yes

"both sides the same"

the argument of the utter ignorant

and the argument of malicious agent provocateur trolls from the right acting on the left to keep them helpless, negative, ignorant, and cynical

and thus robbing them of their #vote and their voice

@benroyce @paninid @bytebro @sj

You just want trump to win its easier than actually LISTENING TO WHAT VOTERS WANT.

@CatHat @paninid @bytebro @sj

🤣 🤣 🤣

how does one listen to voters who don't #vote, galaxy brain?

how does asking people to vote means #trump wins, cosmic level political strategist?

you're so twisted in smug cynical helplessness and self-serving lies about what arguing for not voting really means, that you're just spitting jokes

listen to me very carefully, this is golden truth:

no one listens to people who don't vote

voting is how you get change, not voting means things get worse

period

@benroyce @paninid @bytebro @sj do you understand what getting out the vote is?
Because you sure aren't acting like it
The idea is to persuade people to vote. Not to persuade them to stay home.
Biden is radioactive. Trying to get people to vote down ballot is doable.

People like you are making that harder.

@CatHat @paninid @bytebro @sj

you're arguing from ignorance

every vote, that ever existed, and ever will, will be between shit and slightly less worse shit. because all one has to do is use perfection as their guide and no one measures up

#biden is obviously better on everything you care about

but because he isn't perfect, you argue for nonparticipation

this is your failure, not anyone else's. and the only effect of your failure to understand reality is the world gets worse. because of you

@CatHat @paninid @bytebro @sj

furthermore, you expect your inflexible idealism to be coddled. that if your ridiculous standards aren't met and you aren't soothed and wooed, that you don't have to #vote

lol!

it is *your* job to live in reality and understand *every vote that will ever exist* will be between shit and slightly worse shit. perfection is *never* an option

so you act pragmatically, you vote for *better*

inflexible idealism leading to nonparticipation is self-defeat. simple as

@benroyce @paninid @bytebro @sj scapegoating people isn't going to get out the vote.

I understand you want to feel smug and superior when democrats lose
I would rather NOT LOSE AT ALL