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New government spending bill bans U.S. embassies from flying Pride flag

https://lemmy.world/post/13497943

New government spending bill bans U.S. embassies from flying Pride flag - Lemmy.World

Key part of article: > The White House said that while it had not been able to block the flag proposal, it was “successful in defeating 50+ other policy riders attacking the LGBTQI+ community that Congressional Republicans attempted to insert into the legislation.” They are going out of their way to attack queer people any way they can and if they really get the power they need to achieve it, there will be a genocide. Or at least a genocide far more noticeable than the current one going on, mostly directed at trans people.

Mar 24, 2024 at 6:28pmWeb
Show threadCosmicomicalMar 24, 2024
The title should be that the government defeated 50+ proposals against lgbt.
Show threadsome_guyMar 24, 2024
The point is that they (GOP) throw so much shit at the wall that they know won’t succeed because eventually some things will stick. It’s not worth pointing out all the shit that fails. What gets in is worth talking about.
Show threadFlying SquidMar 25, 2024
Exactly, although exact titles are required here, so that should have been the title of the article.
Show threadCosmicomicalMar 25, 2024
Sorry I wasn’t aware, yeah the article title is very misleading
Show threadHumorless4483Mar 24, 2024
Finally a good thing happening in America
Show threadTelodzrumMar 24, 2024
  • This isn’t a good thing.
  • We don’t have a lot of American embassies in America.
    • Show threadFireTowerMar 24, 2024

    /s

    Show threadTelodzrumMar 24, 2024
    I always upvote Bandit Keith.
    Show threadVejMar 24, 2024
    Maybe I don’t fully understand here. But the pride flag isn’t a country. So, to me it makes a bit of sense stating a mixed message. I’m not saying I’m against the cause. I am stating it opens it up to having other flags such as the don’t tread on me, or the flag of the southern rebellion, Jolly Rodger, or maybe a nice killdozer flag.
    Show threadrbesfeMar 25, 2024
    Embassies should be allowed to represent the values of their country’s citizens. These slippery slope arguments against pride flags never make any sense, embassy staff don’t tend to be confederate sympathizers or pirates or crazy libertarians
    Show threadVejMar 25, 2024
    It’s not our or any other nations flag. It shouldn’t get special treatment. I hope one day we just look at the pride flag and say we don’t need that anymore because that judgment and stigma are gone. True freedom should be as simple as not actually caring if the person next to you has a different views.
    Show threadredditsuckssMar 25, 2024

    of their country’s citizens.

    embassy staff

    Moving the goalposts already.

    This is why rational people don’t take you seriously.

    Show threadrbesfeMar 25, 2024
    Nice counterargument there kiddo, how long did it take you to come up with that one?
    Show threadx4740NMar 25, 2024
    FUCK OFF BIGOT
    Show thread☂️-Mar 25, 2024
    fuck off
    Show threadVeganCheesecakeMar 25, 2024

    Forbes says:

    None of the funds made available by the bill can be spent to fly or display flags other than the American flag and other eligible flags at U.S. State Department facilities, a rule that will last for the length of the funding bill, which expires on Sept. 30.

    Does that mean an employee could buy a pride flag with their own money and raise it before clocking in? Or at least hang it elsewhere on the building? That provision sucks, but I at least hope it’ll lead to people finding silly workarounds.

    White House Agrees To Ban Pride Flags At US Embassies In Spending Bill Deal

    The State Department authorized pride flags to be flown at U.S. embassies in 2021, reversing a Trump-era ban.

    Forbes
    Show threadSmacksMar 25, 2024

    Clickbait. The actual resolution prohibits the use of the funds being allocated from the new budget to be used on anything other than government related flags. This is just funding for flags, there’s no outright ban on pride flags.

    Resolution Sauce (pg. 1000)

    (b) None of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this Act may be obligated or expended to fly or display a flag over a facility of the United States Department of State-

    Show threadmypasswordistacoMar 25, 2024
    I would think that the “or display” part prohibits a public employee from raising the flag.
    Show threadSmacksMar 25, 2024

    Everything before that states the funds allocated by the act can’t be used to fly or display a flag other than a government flag.

    A public employee couldn’t spend embassy or facility money on a non-government flag, but I haven’t read anything about them spending their own money and still flying the flag.

    Show threadmypasswordistacoMar 25, 2024
    Right, but the public employee is being paid for by the funds that are covered by the act. Therefore if an employee raises the flag, funds are being used to display a non-state flag.
    Show threadredditsuckssMar 25, 2024

    No. An employee using his paycheck is not the same as using government funds to buy a flag.

    To think otherwise is asinine and childish, but I don’t hold it above you.

    Show threadmypasswordistacoMar 25, 2024
    You have misunderstood what I wrote. I said nothing about an employee purchasing a flag, I said that they would not be permitted to raise one, as they are a resource that is paid for by the act.
    Show threadmypasswordistacoMar 25, 2024

    You have misunderstood what I wrote. I said nothing about an employee purchasing a flag, I said that they would not be permitted to raise one, as they are a resource that is paid for by the act.

    I think it’s asinine and childish to be so rude, especially when it’s you that has made the mistake.

    Show threadBowtiesAreCoolMar 26, 2024
    I think it would have to be a separate flagpole that wasn’t constructed or maintained by the state.
    Show threadElderWendigoMar 26, 2024
    The act of raising even a free flag would still be using government resources.
    Show threadFlying SquidMar 25, 2024
    The part that was relevant was the part I quoted in the body of my post.
    Show threadAjenMar 26, 2024
    Are they singling out LGBQT+? Or are they treating all non-governmental groups the same?
    Show threadFlying SquidMar 26, 2024
    The former.
    Show threadAjenMar 26, 2024
    Where in the article does it say they’re singling out LGBQT+?
    Show threadFlying SquidMar 26, 2024
    You do know what a pride flag is, yes?
    Show threadAjenMar 26, 2024
    The article says this applies to all non-governmental flags, not just the pride flag. I read the article and didn’t see anything singling out LGBQT+, but if I missed something I hope you’ll point out out.
    Show threadFlying SquidMar 26, 2024

    If you had read the body of my post and the article, you would have seen that this was by far the least important thing discussed:

    The White House said that while it had not been able to block the flag proposal, it was “successful in defeating 50+ other policy riders attacking the LGBTQI+ community that Congressional Republicans attempted to insert into the legislation.”

    What do you think they’ll do if they get serious power?

    Show threadAjenMar 27, 2024
    You’re moving the goal posts, and drawing associations without any evidence. This thread is about the article being clickbait, which it is. This is an omnibus spending bill, so the existence of anti-LGBQT+ riders on the same bill doesn’t make this specific clause anti-LGBQT+.
    Show threadFlying SquidMar 27, 2024
    Got it. Republicans are very sympathetic to queer people and only want the best for them. That’s the important thing to remember.
    Show threadAjenMar 29, 2024
    Just to recap: nothing in the article you posted supports your point, except for a self-aggrandizing quote from some politician, so you’re resorting to sarcasm.
    Show threadredditsuckssMar 25, 2024

    This is fair.

    Government property shouldn’t be for individual ideologies or agendas.

    Show threadLifeInMultipleChoiceMar 25, 2024

    Flying flags of acceptance are not the same as flying flags of non-acceptance. It’s like saying hanging a flag that says all are welcome is the same as one that says Whites Only Fountain.

    There is no agenda in a prode flag, there is one in a don’t tread on me flag. As for a straight pride flag I’d never heard of one till now. They sound like very petty, whiny, privelaged people.