#writersCoffeeClub 3/22: Are there any books which should be banned, or is book banning always wrong?

I draw a line between fiction and non-fiction (or fic presented as non-fic) intended to persuade or make an ideological argument. Clearly-identified fiction shouldn't be banned. Presenting-as-non-fic like "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" is flat-out toxic to a society, as is non-fic crank science and "scientific racism", eg. "The Bell Curve".

The Bible? Toxic AF, presents as non-fic: ban!

@cstross Stepping back to the purely writing question of this: I sometimes teach a course called "Psychology in Science Fiction." One thing the students and I discovered one semester is that you can set up a solid dystopian world in a few tried-and-true ways, including: A reasonable-sounding rule or law is administered in technically consistent but problematic way (often by a bad actor or someone/something with no consideration for kindness, harm, etc.).

It actually feels (to me) difficult to find any generalized rule that couldn't be used to create a dystopia this way.

Hm. Now I want to test that proposition.

@guyjantic Every plausible dystopia is someone else's utopia.

@cstross I'll be thinking about this for a while.

It certainly seems valid. the people who would see my dystopias as utopias are people I don't want to be in charge of things.

@guyjantic Yup. (Random fic example: Gilead in "The Handmaid's Tail" is a pretty sweet deal if you're a wealthy, powerful, misogynistic patriarch. O'Brien, the inner party member in "1984", seemed totally happy with his status. And so on.)

@cstross I'm now thinking of Mel Brooks crowing, "It's good to be the king!"

I think this is my core disagreement with a batch of tastemakers and politicians in the USA (and elsewhere): I want systems that radically encourage broad sharing of power and happiness, not systems that trend toward only a few people getting their utopias at everyone else's expense.

@guyjantic Yep, same. It's the authoritarian personalities who screw everything up, every time. (This is my very anti-authoritarian personal cognitive bias speaking, mind you.)

@cstross I was religious (very authoritarian church) for 40 years. Then I left. I am finding now that the closest thing I have to religion in my heart is anti-authoritarianism.

This causes problems at American universities, as it turns out.

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O'Brien clearly values his hobby of torturing people more than material comfort.

I don't know whether that's a functional system of government to select leadership on that basis...
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