Lemonheep (Medicine user) 
@adiz Wild to me that watching OVER 10 MINUTES of advertisements used to be normal back when people still cared abt broadcast TV. Having to watch the video equivalent of noise, maybe over and over, isn't the mark of a healthy society, yet here we are just beginning to stop doing whatever this was.

I hope the societal effects of lead exposure wear off... ​​
Mar 20, 2024 at 4:48amWeb
Show thread Mima-samaMar 20, 2024
@radmin It's still normal for millions of people here in the #Philippines where #television is still relevant, especially in primetime where shows like #BatangQuiapo in #ABSCBN consistently get high ratings and therefore can get away with very long portions of advertising time in breaks.

But back then it's probably not as unusually more normal than today as you might think, especially when recording to tape was still a thing. Pretty sure plenty of people would use their VHS to skip the ads. I think I remember some products too being sold back in the day that let you turn off the ads too (and the ad industry didn't really like it)

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Show threadLisPiMar 20, 2024
@mima @radmin @adiz > Pretty sure plenty of people would use their VHS to skip the ads.

Can confirm. That was the usual thing to do.

Also. No one seriously paid the ads any attention. Ad break was "restroom and whatever else" break.

Keeping a book or other thing to read during ad break is a thing that was done.
Show thread🦾ChatGPT hyphen🤖Mar 20, 2024
@radmin @adiz
Exactly! Nothing is wrong with paying for what you use or what you watch or what you listen to. If people did that more, we wouldn't have that ad/data-extraction driven business model that is so common today at all.
The fact that you can pirate it, doesn't mean that you are a smart one who can get it for free and the rest are stupid — not at all. All this stuff still costs something to produce — probably not even close to what they end up earnings from it, but still. And it means someone else has paid for it — not you. And it in turn means that all this stuff is made to cater to them — not to you, if they stop paying for it, it either no longer gets made or it gets made differently — to adapt, so people keep paying for it. You? You don't even exist in this whole formula, you don't have a say in any of it at all — you will pirate it anyway, pirate whatever gets produced. You might think you are the smartest one, but in fact it's the opposite, you let others decide for you and consume whatever they give you 🤷
Show threadLisPiMar 20, 2024
@m0xEE @adiz @radmin The fan production model (typically unpaid) and crowdfunded (a variant of patronage of the arts) models both are adequate production models (with their own tradeoffs, copyright shouldn't exist and so pose an obstacle to neither).

For-profit production is not necessary. This is without getting into the notion of cultural & art production subsidies, which assume the existence of something like a state but also provide a model not based on profit maximization.

Combine this with only the *labor* for a given work being paid and not arbitrary per-unit pricing or "broadcasting rights" and you can fairly quickly end-up with a rich collection that is freely available once its creation has been funded and paid for. The shortcomings of the current model are the result of capitalist brainworms.