AbsentBirdSlava Ukraini
ForestOrcaPerfect meme usage! Bravo!
IceBergLove that you think Israel and Ukraine are opposite sides. Who exactly is backing Palestine? Supplying them with weapons? Iran and Russia…
Love that you seem to be defending a 60% civilian casualty rate in Gaza at the hands of the IDF.
There's another poster here who is hinting that Russia are the good guys, and I wouldn't be surprised if this person were hinting at that also rather than trying to say Palestinians are evil.
I wholeheartedly disagree with that sentiment, but it's what some of the people in this thread are saying.
That thought never even crossed my mind, and is similarly absurd
Melt them down, liquidate the arms industry and move all their talent to aerospace.
We could have had a Startram for that money. We could have skipped fueling a few proxy wars and gone to Mars instead.
Then force the new aerospace talent to develop WH40K bolt guns which happen to be guns that shoot rocket powered projectiles.
🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 🇮 🏆Just send me through space in an unshielded craft please. I’ll just give myself up to the space ghosts.
The society that unilaterally decides it’s not interested in war gets conquered by the ones that don’t follow along. It’s an unfortunate reality, but history is full of civilizations that were largely peaceful and reaped the rewards that come with it, and were predated by other civilizations who kept the hard edge.
Si vis pacem, para bellum (If you want peace, prepare for war)
If you aren’t ready for war, you get conquered by a war monger. If you want to be at peace, you must be ready for war against those who want to conquer.
No, I’m saying that a nation that wants peace still needs to be ready for war, or they end up like Ukraine and are invaded. Ukraine is lucky that there are nations who supported them, because they gave up a lot of their defence for nothing. I didn’t mention any specific nation.
andrew_bidlawIsrael sells and donates weapons as we speak. It dosn’t need any help. Their industrial capacity allows them to produce more weaponry than they use in Gaza.
It dosn’t need any help. Their industrial capacity allows them to produce more
Arguably one of the reasons Israel gets so much aid is because it ensures that the Israeli defense industry can't compete, functions as a subsidy for the US defense industry (and the millions employed by it), and serves US strategic interests. Relevant article:
Ie. US aid to Israel isn't charity.
Similar story in Europe, despite Trump's complaints. As Ukraine illustrates, Europe currently lacks the industrial base to support Ukraine on its own, arguably also due to an over-reliance on the US and its defense industry. Luckily Trump, and more recently republicans blocking Ukraine aid, are likely to accelerate a pivot away from the US and towards increasing self-reliance.
The fediverse is often very left wing, but I get the idea that this is a huge blind spot for a lot of people here. US foreign policy starts to make far more sense, when you realise the US defense industry is sizeable, employs a lot of people, and the US administration defends that industry accordingly.
Certainly makes far more sense than this idea that the US is somehow beholden to a tiny little country like Israel, chooses to give it billions in military aid because pro-Israeli pressure groups are somehow incredibly powerful, or that politicians support Israel out of idealism, while almost entirely ignoring the fact that a lot of them are backed or lobbied by the defense industry. Certainly no one goes around complaining about the pro-Taiwan lobby, when discussing US military aid to Taiwan.
Banzai51Should we? Sure. But the whole point of Russia opening up this front was to divert weapons away from Ukraine. And Republicans will make it so.
FuglyDuckWe should also just divert republicans to an air drop in Russia.
Since they’re so patriotically Russian, and all.