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Healthy optimism
Lvxferre [he/him]Optimism, pessimism, those are never healthy. They cloud your view of the truth, and make you assume that you know what you don’t.
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So if a pilot is in a failing aeroplane and is coming down for a landing that he knows is almost certainly going to lead to death. Having a more optimistic view of the situation is always bad? What about the people on the plane that are either going to die instantly or live, why be scared beforehand.
One of my favourite quotes is:
“The young do not know enough to be prudent, and therefore they attempt the impossible - and achieve it, generation after generation.”
And this brings me back to optimism. How many times have you watched a sports game where it was shut out and over then in the dying minutes of the game you see a team win it and the commentators will say something like “no one thought that was possible, except for the men on the pitch and at the end of they day that’s all that matters”
I can’t believe I’m defending optimism because I’m thr least optimistic person in the world.
I can’t believe I’m defending optimism because I’m thr least optimistic person in the world.
I’m defending realism even if I’m extremely pessimistic, so… welcome to the club.
So if a pilot is in a failing aeroplane […]
From the pilot’s PoV, both optimism and pessimism mean the potential loss of the tiny chance of survival - one because it underestimates the effort necessary to achieve the desired result, another for giving it up. While realism is the option that actually allows you to seize that chance, and say “we’re probably fucked, but I can increase my odds of survival with my effort”.
From the passengers’ PoV: if they know that the plane will crash, and can’t realistically do anything about it, optimism means wasting their likely last moments of life. While realism means accepting “I’m going to die in a few moments; better grab the gorgonzola from my bag and enjoy it, I probably won’t be able to gift it to my cousin. Komm, Susser Tot!”
And this brings me back to optimism. How many times have you watched a sports game
I don’t watch sports, but I think that what I said still applies: optimism leading to less effort than the necessary to win, pessimism leading to giving up, realism leads to a cold analysis of the situation and what should be done to get the best result.
squirrelIt’s a cult. Altman is one of the TESCREAL devotees. He truly believes that he can build the electronic messiah.
RustyNovaHail the Omnissiah! I mean what-
Remember: burning an effigy a day keeps the Evil away~
deafboyWell, the bar for an electronic messiah is not that high, considering its predecessors in the cult field.
Hopium. There’s far too much “evil” force in this world for there to ever be an edan or unity. Overall chaos is what got us to our current state of humanity. Chaos will always be.
Don’t read that as me saying humans are shit though. It’s more like humans don’t want to take their lack of “power” seriously. Which is natural or whatever… I know it all sounds negatives, but I don’t mean for it to sound negative. Chaos is the only constant, order comes from it, but chaos is always dominant from the present moment to the future.
🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 🇮 🏆None of the things mentioned here that we could achieve would require an absence of evil or need the whole world to cooperate. Hell we’ve been doing the last one for quite some time in the form of books, movies and video games.
RobotToasterIt’s probably cocaine
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Hyping up the stock price.
It’s a character flaw called “wishful belief” - that is, failure to distinguish between what you predict that’ll happen and what you hope that’ll happen.
The first paragraph? Can’t say I disagree.
Second paragraph? Delusional.
Cure all human disease?
Paragraphs are bodies of text. So the second paragraph in this scenario is the one where we are only a few breakthroughs away.
He agrees that we can treat all human disease? That’s silly.
We already have abundance at scale; the rest is just greed and logistics
It’s enough to look at how much stuff is available in a supermarket, or in the average, home, to know we live in an age of abundance. The problem is, is that abundance is not shared, but hoarded.
We have enough food to feed the world, we have enough production for everyone in the world to have a smartphone and internet access and electricity. We can make clothes for everyone, we can home everyone. We have enough healthcare for everyone.
By an objective measure, we have abundance, we have enough. The world is just severely mismanaging our resources and the distribution of them. Because the economy doesn’t work for humans, instead humans work for the economy.
And who do you think will be in charge of all of these things? Lol
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Semi-Hemi-DemigodIs that new reality going to end up being a shinier version of Office Space for everyone, everywhere, forever?
If so you can keep all that shit.
Marketing…
It’s delusional. The problems we have are not caused by lack of technology and cannot be solved by new technology.
AmphobetWe already have that abundance. It’s just waiting to be liberated.
I don’t think most of these people realize that Earth has finite resources, and we’re already running short on some of them
These people jump immediately to star lifting what will give you several planets of resources and energy. It’s very “rest of the fucking owl.”
theodewerehe wants to live inside his computer
vladI think he believes what he’s saying. From his perspective AGI will be great, and a lot of people think that AI and quantum computing will have a feedback loop where AI will help us create a better quantum computer which will make a better AI and so on…
Down here in the filth though, we’re going to go through mass unemployment, rapid shifts in markets, loss of privacy due to increasingly sophisticated AI powered surveillance, and complete loss of our freedom of speech.
So, all that stuff probably will happen to people like him. Just not us.
AI will help us create a better quantum computer which will make a better AI
Current “AI” is just LLMs. They don’t need some crazy quantum supercomputer. They aren’t improved by more processing power.
They need a ton of data to work at a basic level. There’s no reason to think that future programs will just get better on their own. Especially if a lot of data is now LLM generated. They have no capacity to learn on their own through research.
TrickDacyThe irony of repeating the exact same thoughts as every thread like this contains, about how because it’s just a sophisticated “parrot” then it cannot be intelligent 😂
An issue with this tweet is that we already have the capacity to do a lot. We have the technology to provide healthy and diverse diets for the entire planet and fit a cities worth of farming inside a few city blocks (vertical hydroponics/aeroponics). We have the ability to create electricity in a dozen different renewable ways. We have the ability to desalinate water creating nearly infinite fresh water, we have enough square footage in the world to easily house everyone. We have stellar education systems that we could hand out to the entire world.
Why don’t we do it? Well, all these things cost money. But the issue is, there also exists staggering amounts of money across the world. The panama papers revealed just a fraction of the wealth being hoarded by just a fraction of the wealthiest people in the world (and most implicated in the panema papers weren’t even too crazy, like soccer stars and business owners). There’s exists tens to hundreds of trillions of dollars of wealth created by the world just floating around in billionaires bank accounts and in the coffers of world powers.
So it’s not an issue of abundance coming in the near future, we have it here on earth right now.
exactly.
many of the mundane atrocities being committed every day are deliberate choices in service of capital rather than people.
you know, health insurance companies, etc.
It’s true—for a very exclusive interpretation of “we”.
We’ll have all that, and escalating poverty at scales that are difficult to imagine…
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they’re absolutely correct we will make all of these breakthroughs, but you dear reader? will benefit from none of them
Only for share holders.
Monorail! Monorail! Monorail!
MorpheusMethium . Seems like elon is sharing bruh.
empireOfLove2Endless abundance *for the trillionaires that manage to blast themselves off the rotting rock before it collapses in on itself
FlumPHPWe could have all the things he mentions and people will still want a cashier who stands eight hours a day, a barista who makes their flat whites, or a babysitter for their kids. And despite the abundance, they’re going to want those people to suffer in poverty.
How do I know? Because we have abundance and poverty right now.
magnetosphereI’m especially cynical when it comes to the “cure all human diseases” part.
You want to manage a disease. Make it tolerable and survivable. That way, you’ve got a patient customer for life, and you can milk them for decades.
I don’t disagree with any of these things, we just don’t know when they will come to be and its going to be a rough ride, with old and new systems fighting, the history and the future all happening at once. We are experiencing something that has never happened to any species on earth, or maybe in the entire universe ever, so we’re flying blind.
I feel like AGI might be the furthest away of all those things.
Well, I am convinced we currently have no idea how an AGI could be made. It shouldn’t be a HW issue since it is possible to have a human brain worth of computing power in a small cluster. So it could be near impossible or we may be one great shower thought away, there is no way to know.
Ugh. So many places in the world already have abundance that is hard to imagine; but that’s only the case because of extreme hoarding of resources and wealth.
Uriel238 [all pronouns]I’m sure we could do all of these things if we weren’t biased towards consolidating power into the hands of a few biased individuals.
Of course, I’m just quoting Fourth International Posadist rhetoric, but Posadas may have a point.
I can confidently say we won’t do any of these things until we can kill capitalism and trends towards autocracy.
JessicaI can confidently say we won’t do any of these things until we can kill capitalism and trends towards autocracy.
So basically never. The appetite of the regular person to revolt is nonexistent, unfortunately.
Never is a long time. The common people are tiring of what capitalism has wrought and the ongoing drive to force people to do more for less and discard those who are sufficiently useful. Our appetite to revolt may well be fueled by this push. A greater danger is the tendency for successful revolutions to turn into serial dictatorships, each overthrowing the previous one until everyone is dead tired of war. France took around a century to sort itself out from monarchy, and today is still capitalist.
On the other hand, the climate crisis might drive us to extinction, and if it doesn’t, is estimated (by the few who dare to estimate it) to reduce the population to below 500 million. If we end up migrant tribes again, we might be able to tackle the trends towards feudalism early.
And the climate crisis is not the only great filter we’re being confronted with. Personally, I don’t hope anymore so much as look soberly at where we are now and try to guess at where we’ll go. And for now the best we can do in the US is hope we can obstruct and delay the steady march towards autocratic fascism until the desperados running the Republican party can’t keep it together anymore.
I know that’s not inspiring, but if someone is saying something to inspire us, they’re taking us for marks.
Very well said. It’s such a shame to know that there is something better out there, what it looks like isn’t exactly clear, but there is a better way. The workers truly need to unite, for the benefit of us all.
If it weren’t for the thieving class and the people who fall for their bullshit, I’m convinced we’d be having serious discussions about what it means to live in a post-scarcity society by now.