The amazing thing about daylight savings is that we would rather *mess with the definition of time itself* than give people the freedom and flexibility to start their day an hour earlier or later as they see fit. Problems can only be solved through coercive conformity.

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The whole idea of DST offends me. When the sun is right overhead then it's noon. Anything else is flying in the face of nature.

@riggbeck @attoparsec And you also wake up at 4am and go to bed at 8pm to make sure 12pm is the middle of your day?

@ives @attoparsec

Of course not. It's the principle of the thing. DST is a political idea which should not be messing about with geophysical facts.

@riggbeck @attoparsec Our time system is not factual but a convention. Nothing in nature or physics says that it's 12pm when the sun is at its highest. If we agree to call that moment 14:37 from now on then nothing fundamentally changes.

@ives @attoparsec

Yes, time is a convention, and so are the words we use to describe it. 'Noon' means the middle of the day, the point at which the sun is highest in the sky. I prefer to stick with that convention.