‘Invisible Women’
(by Brian Moore)

The singer sings a rebel song
and everybody sings along.
Just one thing I’ll never understand:
Every damn rebel seems to be a man.
For he sings of the Bold Fenian Men
And the Boys of the Old Brigade.
What about the women who stood there too
“When history was made”? 1/2

#InternationalWomensDay
#GenderEquality
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Ireland, Mother Ireland, with your freedom loving sons,
Did your daughters run and hide at the sound of guns?
Or did they have some part in the fight
And why does everybody try to keep them out of sight?
For they sing of the Men of the West
And the Boys of Wexford too.
Were there no women living round those parts;
Tell me, what did they do? 2/2

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@bullivant

#Women #mná were the biggest losers in the new state after the Civil War was over. They fought for Irish freedom and then Dev and successive governments took their freedoms away, all due to the heavy influence of the church within the state.

Women didn't even have the right to be tried in court because it was an all male system.

Let's not forget that they waged a war against women and relegated them to second class citizens pretty quickly after the Civil War was over.

@jacqui76 I very much agree. The promises of the revolutionary period were badly reneged upon by Dev and his notion of an ultra-conservative, Catholic, male and priest dominated Ireland of little farms.

@bullivant

I think Ireland fought a revolutionary war to get their freedom but they didn't fight for a revolutionary Ireland.

Even though the 1916 proclamation was one of the first documents to mention women in it's first paragraph.

Ireland was a conservative country and that returned after the chaos of the war ebbed away.

@jacqui76 @bullivant and there was the mutiny by officers after the civil war ended and army numbers cut dramatically

@JohnLoader6 @bullivant

That is true but what the new state did to women stripping them of their rights and leaving them to their fate at the hands of the church, far outweighs what happened to the army.

However, Ireland was broke and didn't have the money to properly fund the army & the new police force.

@jacqui76 I would agree with you.

@bullivant

I appreciate you saying that...thank you.

@jacqui76 Oddly though, the women from my childhood who had grown up in the revolutionary period, my grandmothers in particular, retained a fierce sense of independence and equality. They were subservient to nobody: not husbands or priests or bishops. I don't know if they were unusual.

@bullivant

That would be an interesting study - the women who fought for independence, did they lose their spirit of freedom and independence, to quietly sit in Dev's new Catholic Ireland.

I can't imagine women who ran guns, carried communications for Mick Collins in their skirts etc sat by and let the Church weaken their resolve.

Also, I wonder is that the reason why you never argue with an Irish Mummy?

@jacqui76 Well both my grandmothers were fearsome and not to be argued with. One hid in the barn when the priests visited, took no notice of the local guards and refused to comply with a court order until the judge threatened to jail her - in her 70s.
@bullivant @jacqui76 religion and Government don't mix. Moral codes fine, religion run by old men using scripts that nobody can prove are true

@JohnLoader6 @bullivant

Religion - something made up by the powerful to keep the masses in line and under control.

@jacqui76 @JohnLoader6 I think that sometimes religion is good. But lots of times it is used as a justification for oppression and evil.

@bullivant

Absolute respect from me.

I think it is very clear that they never lost their fighting spirit.

@jacqui76 They grew up and lived in tough, turbulent times. The Easter Rising, the chaos in the run up to the War of Independence, the war itself, the Civil War, the impact of the First World War, the Spanish 'flu, then Dev's bleak, priest-ridden, Ireland. I think that they had to be tough just to survive.

@bullivant

Anyone of those events would have been enough to live through and taken it's toll. To survive all of that you had to be made of strong stuff - I can't imagine a priest would have scared them!

@jacqui76 Exactly. And don't forget that much of the Catholic Church had at times quite a hostile attitude to Republicans. It's not going to endear you to the church if you hear your family and friends being condemned from the pulpit for fighting for independence. I think that the resentment to the church lingered.

@bullivant

And that attitude continued after the war was over. Many Republicans were black listed and shunned because of the messages sent out by institutions like the Church. That is why so many left for America - Chicago and Boston, where you can still see the Irish Republican attitudes in those cities.

It was strange to see so many condemned for the same thing many of those doing the condemning had done against the British. The Irish Civil War left long deep silent scar through society!

@jacqui76 Absolutely. Very true. The Civil War, was, like a lot of civil wars, barbaric.
@jacqui76 @bullivant Very true. The 1916 Rising was an alliance between Conservative Catholics (Pearse) & Socialists (Connolly). When independence was attained however the Vatican filled the political vacuum. Socialists were sidelined when the constitution was written.