WaffelsonOld is stability
Arch users whenever they update
PlexSheepIronic that this image does not load for me
Eager Eaglesame using alexandrite
Works on my PC
Btw I use Arch
That but add an -Syu at the end.
No need for that, why typing useless letters?
Why use many words when few words do trick?
Awwww my GUI stopped working again after an update
I think I never waited so long for so few pixels outside or Reddit.
Me using GNOME on Arch
Lexi SneptaurYay all of my extensions and themes are broken
I use latte dock, so until either it starts working in plasma 6 or i find a proper replacement i simply wont update my system lol
EddyBotthe new plasma 6 panel can be customized to pretty much a dock
the default tasks applets still isn’t nearly as good though
the default tasks applets still isn’t nearly as good though
I believe Plasma 6 includes a new dock.
Joke’s on you! My configuration is so borked that I’m afraid to upgrade!
Conveniently the only computer where I use arch is one I use hyprland on and my only computer using plasma is running opensuse so I have to wait a bit longer to actually try it out
no bananaCurrently running endeavour and having fun with the update.
BOMBSI’m on KDE Neon, and the update jacked up the desktop, icons, kvantium, and dolphin configuration of one user account. If I use Wayland on the account that is fine, the keyboard and mouse start acting annoyingly funky. Also, it completely changed my login screen.
PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S [he/him]For my use cases (audio, programming, engineering school, watching crap on FreeTube) I value stability and predictability over security and shiny new stuff. In the rare cases that things break, they break in ways that are already well-understood, so usually have workarounds or solutions.
In the few cases I do need something newer than the Debian repos provide, I just use Flatpaks or get an updated .deb from the devs of the particular software.
So yeah, zero rush for Plasma 6 for me. It looks nice, but I’ll just be chilling on Plasma 5 until it comes out.
There is a fine line between stable and outdated.
Some debian pakages are like 2 years out of date.
I just cant handle that on a desktop.
Flatpak, nix, guix, snap, appimage, distrobox, etc. You most certainly can handle that.
On my system half of the packages come from Debian repositories, and half from nix unstable.
2 years out of date is usually fine for me. When it isn’t, I haven’t had a problem using the Flatpak or a .deb directly from whoever released the software.
zaphodSo don’t run stable? If you want a bleeding edge rolling release, that’s what sid is for.
Dont you think there is a healthy line between booth?
I would not whant anyone using old ass versions with old ass bugs.
Its also bad for new users, who expect software to be remotly up to date.
For the target users of Debian stable? No.
Debian stable is for servers or other applications where security and predictability are paramount. For that application I absolutely do not want a lot package churn. Quite the opposite.
Meanwhile Sid provides a rolling release experience that in practice is every bit as stable as any other rolling release distro.
And if I have something running stable and I really need to pull in the latest of something, I can always mix and match.
Ultimately Debian offers a spectrum of options for different use cases and then lets me choose.
If you don’t want that, fine, don’t use Debian. But for a lot of us, we choose Debian because of how it’s managed, not in spite of it.
CubitOomArch is actually pretty stable. And one of the best things about using arch is the arch wiki which is the best documentation I’ve ever seen for any distro.
My experience trying to solve specific issues on Debian and Ubuntu lead me down rabbit holes of forums where even the accepted answer is wrong.
Darkassassin07Lmao, none of the images posted to these comments are loading…
Possibly linuxHave you tried updating your drivers?
PantherinaRolling release?
I want revolving release, every one is a russian roulette to destroy my system
ѕєχυαℓ ρσℓутσρєWelcome to Manjaro.
can’t understand how manjaro is still alive, given how much better endeavouros configures the system
Yeah, no idea. EOS is much better in every single way.
Will seems like arch users stereotype but i don’t need software im not gonna use
𝔻𝔼𝕍𝕀𝕃𝕀𝕊ℍMaybe because many website still give recommendations who newbie in arch or Linux distro
Don’t believe it ?? Try googling it
Don’t believe it ?? Try googling it
Damn MX Linux
I haven’t tried endeavor is yet. In what ways is it better than Manjaro?
in my experience manjaro install had a weird unnecessary customizations in terms of configuring things. Applications broke more often and it was harder to apply common fixes. Not very beginner-friendly because of that. Endeavor results in a much cleaner and simpler install
dave@hal9000My experience since I began using Linux full time for my main desktop, chronologically: Manjaro, Kubuntu, Debian stable, Debian testing, endeavourOS. Started EOS a week ago and I was shocked by how well everything worked out of the box. A bunch of things I had to tweak and fix before, like messing with NVIDIA drivers among other things, just worked perfectly out of the box. I tried it on a lark after borking something on my Debian system, kinda reluctantly since I had already made a massive script for customizing my Debian based KDE installs, but in the end I didn’t even feel like I needed it because it all just worked fine without all my scripted workarounds for everything. Really impressed. I just got the plasma 6 update a couple of hours ago and it’s mostly fine, dealing with a couple of issues before deciding whether I hit that timeshift restore and wait some more
Yoy made my day
uisAstra Linux then?
woelkchenIf system-breaking updates ship to consumers, the QA system doesn’t work.
openSUSE TW is rolling release and their openQA system is extremely robust.
Updating my Laptop and server (Arch testing):
Updating my PC (Arch testing, but with NVidia):
Do you use btrfs and snapper etc?
Arch users are late to the party. NixOS had plasma 6 the same day as the release.
Why would I want Plasma 6 on a stable release. That’s not why people use Debian
Yeah, this kind of misunderstands what debian is. If you wanted newer bleeding edge stuff you wouldn’t be using debian. Debian is all about the stability.
That said, Debian Sid or testing (the bleeding edge system that 13 will come from) may move to 6? Debian 12 was last year so 13 would be in 2025, so it seems likely 6 will make its way into the bleeding edge versions if people really wanted to use it. But there are better options for most end users than using test versions of major distros.
If you want cutting edge you should use Fedora. Debian does have a unstable branch but it isn’t really tested
Thats seriously overstating things. I’ve been runninf testing or sid for years and years, and I can only remember a handful of times where anything meaningfully broke. And typically its dependency breakages, not actual software breakages.
Testing is different from unstable. Testing should be fairly stable but it is missing security support so keep that in mind.
Yes I’m aware of that, which is why I’ve started refraining from mentioning testing as an option as Debian pendants like to pop out of the woodwork and mention this exact issue every damn time.
Debian is not all about “stability” in the sense of “doesn’t crash”. Debian is all about consistency. The platform doesn’t change. That means if there is a bug that crashes the system for you… it’s going to consistently be there.
For me, it was when stable was on kernel 3.16, and 3.18 was in testing, but the latest kernel was 3.19. And this was an era where AMD’s drivers not fully OpenGL compliant yet. Which meant games would crash. And knowing “this game will always crash until 3 years from now when we finally get a newer kernel” was enough to chase me off.
debian’s neovim package is 0.7.2. Sid is 0.7.2. Experimental is 0.9.5… If there are any bugfixes between 0.7.2 and 0.9.5 that are critical for your workflow… too bad. If its not a “security” release, its not getting updated. You can live with knowing the bug.
“Never change anything, stick to known good versions” only works if you know 100% that the “known good version” is actually bug free. No code is bug free, so inevitably the locked down versions in Debian will have still some flaws (and debian doesn’t backport bugfixes, they only backport SECURITY fixes). For most use cases, the flaws will be minor enough to not matter. But inevitably, if a flaw exists, it affects SOMEONE.
If you actually want to do any sort of complicated computing, debian is not a great choice. if you want a unchanging base so you can run a web browser and processor, I’m sure it’s great.
Debian is not all about “stability” in the sense of “doesn’t crash”. Debian is all about consistency. The platform doesn’t change.
Yes, that’s what ‘stable’ means.
Most people use stable to refer to something that doesn’t crash or cause issues. Something that you might call “rock solid” which implies it’s not going to fall over. Something to put on your server because you’ll get great uptime without issues.
Debian is one of the few places where stable might crash more than unstable, because known bugs in Debian don’t get backported unless they cause security issues.
I use Debian on my servers because “some testing” is nice and the only thing I run on my servers is docker. And ironically, I have to use a PPA for docker.
So for me, it’s a stable enough base OS, but it “too stable” for anything that actually runs on the servers.
Ricky RigatoniDespite all the cool new things in 6 I am happy with 5 and will patiently wait until it either comes to Debian or I get bored of it and hop to a more recent distro.
I’m on KDE Arch and switched about a week ago. I have an Nvidia card and went straight from x11 to Wayland plasma 6. It’s definitely prettier and smoother, but it’s absolutely not as stable. Idk if that’s an Nvidia things, a Wayland thing, or a plasma 6 thing, but I definitely have fairly consistent display issues after switching. I have a btrfs snapshot from right before I updated that’s at plasma 5, so I have a fallback if I want it. It’s mostly just an inconvenience right now, so I’ll probably just ride it out for a while and see if things improve.
tronIt’s definitely Wayland on Nvidia, I had the same issues, Element had a flickering black screen. Switching the default session from Wayland to X11 fixed all issues.
Yep. I decided to try a quick search and it sounds like it’s a common issue. Switched back to x11 and I’m stable again.
From my experience it happens with any XWayland window that fails to hit your display refresh rate. Makes programs such as vscode or element almost impossible to use on high Hz screens, as their max fps is locked to 60.