riwowent to my first protest today :33
KnoLordsadly, masking yourself when protesting is forbidden here in my country :c
It kinda makes sense, protests are supposed to be peaceful, why bring a mask if your intent is a peaceful protest?
🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 🇮 🏆Because a nasty disease spread mostly by sneezing and coughing is going around.
Snot FlickermanIn the USA its because they use facial recognition and then decide to harass you for the next decade over every small infraction they can.
Because nobody in a position of power would ever abuse that power! /s
Protest is never peaceful, if it is you’re doing it wrong. It should be non-violent and as respectful as possible but it needs to be disruptive and you can’t be peacefully disruptive
Peaceful and non-violent are synonyms….
If me and my fellow protestors block a road, we are being non-violent, but we are being disruptive.
And that is peaceful as well, until it isn’t.
…and in 99% of the cases where it stops being “peaceful” it’s because cops come in and violently assault everyone to try to break up the protest.
You’re the one arguing with me after I said protests are peaceful. What the fucking hell is going on here?
Sorry, my bad, I confused you with the guy above you. That one’s on me.
Non-violent in the context of political action does not exclude property damage and looting. A non violent protest is still disruptive, it’s the entire point
Cowbee [he/they]No, they aren’t. You must be disruptive, which isn’t peaceful.
How can you be non-violent and not peaceful at the same time lmfao. They mean the exact same thing.
Disruptive doesn’t mean violent, but it isn’t peaceful.
Peaceful and non-violent mean the exact same thing…
Skydiving isn’t peaceful, but it certainly isn’t violent.
What’s not peaceful about skydiving…?
I’d go with the wind, noise, speed, and imminent possiblity of death.
wind, noise, speed.
So going for a drive wouldn’t be peaceful either…?
imminent possiblity of death.
So… driving again? Or riding a motor bike?
Strange example to try and use lol.
Go ahead, take a nice bath, read a book, or do some origami while skydiving, or driving at 200mph with the top down.
Strange example to try and use lol.
You know what is peaceful? Take a hike.
Getting chased by bears is peaceful…? Getting attacked by wasps is peaceful…?
Anything can be twisted one way or the other dude lol.
You’re making petty, empty, semantic “arguments” and you know it.
Also, whoosh.
You started…
And I knew that, lmfao hence why I gave you the same stupid bull shit.
Ah, so if someone catches a charge for disturbing the peace, then they must have been violent?
So yeah skydiving is actually peaceful by definition, no matter which pedantic argument EITHER of us use.
1st definition of peaceful. adjective
free from disturbance; tranquil. "everything was so quiet and peaceful in the early morning" synonyms: tranquil, calm, restful, pleasant, quiet, still, relaxing, soothing, sleepy, silent, soundless, hushed, noiseless, undisturbed, untroubled, private, secluded, solitary, isolated, serene, composed, placid, at peace, at rest, at ease, in repose, reposeful, unworried, unruffled, anxiety-free, content, blissful, secureYou are factually wrong on this statement.
The term is “causing a disturbance” they avoid that term for a very good reason.
You understand a word can mean multiple things… yeah…?
I thought your point was that neither definition fit my usage of peaceful? Is that not what you meant by…
…So yeah skydiving is actually peaceful by definition, no matter which pedantic argument EITHER of us use.
Does skydiving involve war or violence…? It fits both and neither depending on how you twist it… yeesh.
They do not.
shani66Peaceful means not being disturbed, nonviolent means no violence.
not involving war or violence. “there were no violent incidents reported and it was a peaceful protest”
Peaceful literally means non-violent.
If you are being non-violent by definition you are also being peaceful….
Peaceful and non-violent mean the exact same thing…
They do not.
Hmm I see what the dictionaries are saying but (using an example from above) I think argument exists that:
If me and my fellow protestors block a road, we are being non-violent, but we are not being peaceful.
But it’s Friday and no time for argument!
What’s not peaceful about blocking a road?
The argument falls apart when you ask for the difference lol.
I see a lot of other people have responded with examples and argument.
So I’ll disagree and say the argument falls apart when I don’t argue. (Cause it’s Friday. You ain’t got no job. You ain’t got shit to do. I’m gonna get you high today.)
Peaceful: freedom from disturbance; tranquility.
It is a disturbance to the system, and it isn’t tranquil. They are not synonyms. Non-violent means you aren’t hurting anyone, peaceful means you aren’t disturbing anything. You can’t be violent and peaceful but you can be non-violent and non-peaceful. Peace is sufficient but not necessary for non-violence.
Literally the next definition after that one….
not involving war or violence.
SYNONYMS…
the next definition
So, overlapping meanings, not synonyms
They are both, one is defined by other, AND they are synonyms.
Isn’t language fucked up?
One definition of peaceful is synonymous, and one isn’t. This is exactly why language has so many synonyms, each one is sliiiightly different. Choosing one intentionally instead of another is important.
In this instance, “peace” is being defined (not directly, but through context) as status quo, going about your day unhindered. “Violence” is being defined as causing direct physical harm to a person, and possibly property depending on who you ask.
With these definitions laid out, it’s easy enough to see a situation that is not violent (no one got hurt at all) and also not peaceful (some people’s days were interrupted) - one person mentioned blocking a road. This is a FANTASTIC example of non-peaceful non-violent protest. No one likes a pedant.
No one likes a pedant.
Yep, just like the people trying to say blocking a road isn’t peaceful. They are trying to pedantically choose a definition to make a point. Blocking a road is absolutely peaceful, trying to explain it any other way would be to be pendantic. Lmfao.
LinkOpensChest.wavProtest is not meant to be peaceful. You’re thinking of a demonstration
There have been events where nazis show up to counter protest and film/photograph you to then share among themselves so they can attack you later.
Random_German_NameThats happening a lot lately in Germany. At every fucking Antifa protest at least one suspicious looking guy films with his handy. I honestly doubt, that they have the necessary skill and contact with other fascists in other cities to identify everybody, but I still don‘t want them to know my face
Protests only work because they carry an unstated show of force.
Masks are no indicator of criminality. The idea that bad protesters wear masks is complete horseshit. It serves to divide movements and prevent momentum from being gained. It seeks to dissolve solidarity that couls have been gained at the protests.
Masks allow peaceful protests to remain peaceful if they prevent the violence of the justice system. Sometimes protesters and organizers are simply arrested and thrown in jail for a bit, sometimes even given nonsense charges, which is something that happens to organizers and some protesters in my area.
As well as that, masks can simply be good secops in some counter-protests such as protesting against fascist marches, gatherings, etc. If I’m showing up to show nazis or boogaloos or proud boys that they are unwelcome, the last thing I want is a violent right wing extremist group to try and doxx me. If I’m escorting people to a drag-queen story hour, I don’t want fascists to doxx me.
It’s also smart in some areas, such as Harvard’s campus where organizers are constantly doxxed and accused of antisemitism even though they are not.
Finally, what if the government makes your particular movement illegal? What if they start throwing the book people, accusing everyone involved(or at least the ones they can catch) of domestic terrorism? Wearing a mask will make it a lot easier for you to maintain your freedom when faced with the tyrrany of the state.
Also, masks look cool, and that’s a pretty good reason imo.
“Peaceful protest” is the ideal they push because it doesn’t work. If it worked it wouldn’t be praised. They don’t want change.
Who is “they”?
In this specific instance, anyone who stands to benefit from the status quo