olivebranchlesser of two evils
21 day old account. Most posts are about not voting in the election to support Palestine.
While what’s happening in Gaza is genocide, this account smells like a Russian shill trying to spread FUD in the form of memes.
The key part of diplomacy is not running around telling everyone what’s being discussed in private. We shouldn’t hear about potential deals until they are decided on. If Trump wins, he’ll do the same thing Israel is currently doing to eliminate Hamas - which is to go through the Palestinian people.
If Biden listens more then does popular things, the effect won’t be in Putin’s interest. Just saying.
Biden needs to pull voters from Trump.
There are two types of Democrat voters today. Those who will suck it up and vote for him because he’s not trump, and those who will find some excuse to not vote for him because he’s not perfect. If he does the right thing for Palestine, they’ll complain it wasn’t fast enough, or they’ll complain about his stance on marijuana, or on the environment, or on some other random thing.
Did you just call a genocide imperfect? What would a perfect genocide look like?
Meh… the Holocaust could have been better. Listen, Biden’s doing a genocide, he’s not perfect.
Yes yes, genocide is super bad. Totally agree.
If you could point me to a candidate with a realistic chance to win that has no genocide, I’m happy to vote for them. But last I checked we were in the United States which has first past the post voting, so we don’t get that option. We don’t vote FOR candidates, we vote AGAINST the ones we like least.
I would be thrilled if I was somehow wrong, and would love for you to help me understand.
Congress and Republicans will limit or regress (see Roe ) any improvements by the population. The system was set up to limit the power of the people.
The reality is that only a consistent strong social movement can influence the ruling powers. They know this. So with media and consumerism, they have created a Controlled Opposition, with the illusion of concessions. There is a reason wealth inequality is worse than the gilded age of the robber barons, but there are no revolts.
Our society is too polarized and fragmented to effect real change. Voting for Biden is like using buckets 🪣 of water to keep the boat afloat. We’re still sinking.
It will take a catalyst. An economic crash, natural disaster, another pandemic, etc. to provide the space for mobilization to effect change through organization. Everyone is sleeping on the climate crisis and the droughts, food shortages and mass migration that will eventually cause global destabilization. That’s why inflation is here to stay and the rich are building bunkers. They know the jig is up and are planning accordingly.
Vote for the lesser evil, or don’t, it won’t stop the boat from sinking. I would love to be wrong; I hope I am.
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So you think that has a realistic chance of happening before November?
☂️-no, it should have been happening already.
the second best time to organize is now.
Sure, trump has never genocided anybody. Im not saying hes not trash, but, no genocide.
He’s only promised to turn this country into a directorship…
I mean you can be happy you SUCK TO THE MAN with your last chance to vote in your lifetime.
But he hey you win!
kttnpunk“Not perfect” uhh that’s incredibly hyperbolic. A piece of cheese could do just as well as Biden has as president. He’s appealed to the right and the banks far more than to the left at a time when issues like those you mentioned desperately need to be addressed ASAP. He’s made little strides in the right direction but if you look deeply into any of his policies they’re more posturing than anything. I’ve said it here before but in a reasonable world he’d be running as a Republican. The left can and should disown him given his history, connections and actions.
Biden is a republican.
DMBFFFHe’s a Democrat, thus more than 50% Republican.
No he’s not
You are misunderstanding online discussions. Critiques of Biden’s stances on issues like marijuana, comes from a place of trying to help Biden win. Only trolls would claim they stopped voting for Democrats because they didn’t legalize weed. Real “As a gay black man” type post.
Genocide is different. Blaming progressive voters because they refuse to arm a genocide is a twisted thing to do. And people online need to realize how they are only making things worse with this genocide complicity.
Critiques of Biden’s stances… comes from a place of trying to help Biden win.
I really wish this was true, it feels like every time I try to be charitable I end up getting burned.
And heaven knows Biden needs to be criticized, because even a ton of Democrats are getting righteously pissed off at him. If we have another 2016 situation, I think the backlash to him would be more justified than the backlash to Hillary Clinton’s pathetic campaigning, at least before we all got annihilated by a nuclear bomb or executed by a gang of blackshirts sent out by Trump’s executive order 66.
Especially because it was implicit that Biden would step down and did not pursue a second term, gracefully abdicating the position to somebody, almost anybody else.
phreekno“As a gay black man” type posters
So yall have been alienating gay black men from lemmy? wtf?
He’s buddies with Netanyahu and IIUC moved the embassy to Jerusalem.
Yes, at this point I very likely wont vote for Biden regardless. 6 months of unabashedly aiding a genocide is a bridge too far, even if he stops now. It wont be “some random thing”, itll be the only thing that actually matters. I will suck it up and vote for Trump, because even though I hate him, he has less in common with Hitler than Biden does, at this point.
Oof, fuck around and find out. Trump is Hitler and is following his game plan 100%.
If Trump wins, you won’t have to worry about voting again, Trump has literally said that he intends to go full on dictatorship…
Trump is objectively worse on Palestine, as impossible as that seems. Look at his proposed solution of Palestine in the Abraham Accords. I’ll begrudgingly vote Biden in the National but I’ll certainly vote against him in the Primary. I think now is absolutely the time to demand the US stop our funding and international defence of this genocide.
The state of this national election right now is basically, ‘you can vote for the candidate supporting genocide, or the candidate that will continue to support genocide and do domestic fascism’ what a joke of an election, it’s never been more clear imo that the US is far from a genuine democracy
‘not perfect’ is a big leap from ‘also evil as fuck’, which is what he is.
Lesser of two evils. And unfortunately, you have to pick one.
yeah by all means, choose one.
but you know its not a choice right? its not like this meme is wrong per se
it says don’t JUST vote. that means vote and then do more. your accusation of shilling is disgusting.
Calling others shill is like the go-to accusation these days
its a cointelpro tactic commonly called “badjacketing”. i don’t know why it’s tolerated on lemmy when it can so easily be stamped out.
Do you really expect the people who call everybody they disagree with a shill to be able to read?
I didn’t write it for them. I wrote it for anyone who might think their drive-by had weight
No but in this case it is correct.
Diva (she/her)I voted Uncommitted, if not voting for a genocider is really gonna get Trump elected maybe Biden should start listening to someone other than the demonic Beau Biden lookalikes running around the oval office.
I’m glad you voted your heart in the primary. But I also really hope you are smart enough to vote him in the general.
That really depends on if the Democrats are actually ride or die on this whole genocide thing.
Democrats are more likely to waver on the Palestinian genocide then the Republicans. But even assuming that they have the exact same positions, Republicans still have measurably worse positions on pretty much everything else.
I enjoy enough privilege to not be troubled by Republican policies, but many of my comrades do not enjoy that same privilege. I vote on their behalf too.
Republicans are worse on everything else, but at least when they’re running things into the ground democrats are actually motivated to take action- as opposed to when its their guy doing it and they all act like their shit doesn’t stink.
Biden eliminated all the supports + eviction protections from covid. If Trump was trying to “end COVID” with 9/11s of deaths happening every month do you really think the Democrats would just be going along with it?
You aren’t explicitly saying a Trump presidency would be better for America, but do you understand that most people will take your comment to mean that?
Most people are so into the team sports that anything critical of team blue is treated like a religious heresy.
There’s a large subcategory of leftists who refuse to say whether Trump or Biden would be a better president. If you feel you aren’t treated with sufficient charitability, you should put the blame squarely on their shoulders.
I don’t really care about people I don’t like treating me charitably, I want democrats to stop being absolute dogshit and I don’t see how rewarding them with a vote does that.
Hey guy, I’m not worried. If you had some common sense, you might be worried though. “Treating me charitably”? Have you read the news at all? The shit going on right now is precursor to throwing people in concentration camps type shit.
So guy, unless you’re a white conservative male, you might not be too keen on Trump winning.
1 not a guy
2 learn how to read, the context “treating me charitably” was me quoting the person I was responding to, who said he was “treating me charitably” as in he was allegedly listening to what I was saying.
3 I don’t respond to threats, and if you’re threatening me that if I don’t vote for the genocide guy that all nonwhites are getting their rights taken away. That doesn’t distinguish you from them, nor provide me a reason to view your party as a credible opposition.
YeetPicsYour views on this are incredibly unappealing and flawed at a base level. It’s clear you’re thinking with your heart instead of your brain. I commend your stance and want to make the world better but you’re moreso trying to spite a guy you don’t approve of and the most likely outcome of acting on this spite is a harsher genocide in Palestine.
You already know this, of course.
I don’t respond to people threatening me with ‘how much worse’ the other guy is, your guy is the one trying to pass the republican border bill, and has made it extremely clear that they’re giving Israel a blank check.
I don’t care about American lives more than I care about Palestinian lives. I don’t approve of genocide, and I’m not voting for people who are enabling one.
“Don’t get in those train cars, they go to a gas chamber. Nazis just enacted the final solution.”
“Uh ek-SQUEEZE me? Sounds like you’re trying to threaten me, sweaty. And the Nazis are no worse than the SPD.”
I don’t view the Democrats as a credible opposition to rising christofascism, particularly when they’re completely unreachable on the genocide they’re participating in.
Oh numbers!
Don’t care, and neither do the ones that will destroy you and yours if you get Trump elected.
Same as one
Same as one
This is boring your blocked, your gross stupidity is boring.
You’re literally a fascist
I actually use she/her pronouns ty
Lucky you won’t have to worry about pronouns if Trump wins!
I don’t say this to in any way condone the genocide. I’m fully against the genocide. But, this is a complex issue with a lot of factors on both sides that can drive normally reasonable people to do bad things.
What an enormous piece of shit, between that and your intentional misgendering in the other comment, I was not surprised that you’re pro genocide when team blue does it.
Aww I thought you didn’t care, you poor little guy.
I find it amusing, you’re intentionally advocating your own destruction.
But someone uses the wrong pronoun and you lose your shit. Keep at it!
I’ll be the one holding up a surprised Pikachu face sign to you while you’re thrown in a camp.
I generally am a live and let live person. I have friends and family of just about every combination out there. Who I respect and care about.
But the gross stupidity your displaying irks me. And not only that, it is dangerous to those I do care about. You want to fuck and find out. Do it with something that won’t hurt others. You have no idea what evil is but you’ll find out if you get Trump elected and he takes what little leash is left off the religious nut jobs that want to destroy you and everyone like you.
It’s just showing everyone what a shitty ‘ally’ you are, that you’re willing to intentionally misgender people you pretend to ‘support’ when they vote for your team.
I really don’t know who you’re trying to convince with that.
You seem to be way too comfortable with threatening and insulting women, which is honestly what I’ve come to expect from people who are also comfortable turning a blind eye to a genocide. You seem almost gleeful telling me what the 'bad cops" are going to do to me for the sin of not voting for the ‘good cops’.
I’m not voting for your genocide or fascist border bullshit
Either you don’t believe fascism is bad, or you were lying when you said you were doing something about it.
HACKthePRISONSfalse dichotomy.
What are the other options? That she’s sitting on her ass making the world worse, passively enacting the sort of malaise fascists explicitly want?
A fascism enabler is a fascist. She is a fascist by her own standards.
>A fascism enabler is a fascist. She is a fascist by her own standards.
she's actively advocating against fascism in red suits and blue suits. your accusation belies a blindness to the fascism in the democrat party.
She is advocating on behalf of fascism in red suits, has downplayed their fascism, and has played into the fascists tactics. Thus, a fascism enabler.
this is just libelous. nothing of the sort happened here.
Diva said this after claiming Joe Biden is a fascist:
It takes people with guns to stop fascists.
She had 4 years, and has done nothing.
Diva said this, knowing full well that a Trump presidency will harm transgender women and not help Palestinians:
I’m not voting for Biden because I don’t value my own rights over the rights of Palestinians.
I’m sure the Palestinians killed under a Trump presidency will be grateful to know a transgender woman is also being hunted down in America.
she did not advocate on behalf of fascists, downplay their fascism, or played into the fascists tactics.
you're spreading lies about her
explain? I don’t follow, I reported the fascist I was talking to, but lemmy.world mods don’t seem to care about open transphobia