perishthethoughtThe problem with not voting
counter-point: Voting for someone that does not represent you because you are more scared of the other guy is indistinguishable, as a signal, from someone that fully supports them. By voting against your own interests you are actively undermining the democratic process.
That’s not how democracy works, like at all
Democracy is about compromise. By definition. Not about demanding exactly what you want and sabotaging the system if you don’t get it. That’s the opposite of democracy.
What if I don’t want to compromise with fascists?
Then you get full fascism
When 40% of the voting population wants fascism those are your options.
If 40% of the voting population wants fascism your democracy is fucked and its time to re-open gulags.
And now 40% of the population + you wants fascism
Just with different people in charge
Ah yes, the horseshoe theory. Hitler came in power because liberals sided with him instead of the communists. Exactly like the current American democratic party would rather side with fascists than mere socialism. They proved it time and time again. Libs and fascists are too face of the same coin lol
Horseshoe theory is more like pointing out the similarities between Hitler and Stalin.
Fascism isn’t the opposite of voting. Words have meaning. Open an history book once in a while.
I was referring to the gulags comment.
“Don’t like fascism? Lock up your political enemies. Problem solved.”
The answer isn’t even voting. Voting is actually important in this scenario because, yes, you are actually voting to keep fascists from the door.
The actual answer isn’t electoralism at all—even if it’s important to avert the worst case scenario.
The answer is withholding what’s most valuable to them: your labor. General strike with a clearly defined goal and a pissed off populace is literally the most powerful tool we can harness.
Liberals will get people killed before you could organize a general strike. Quit being naive.
lol love it. Every single time without fail, people will find an excuse for why iT WoULd jUsT nEVeR wOrK HErE!
Although I will admit I haven’t heard this one before. Kudos for being original I guess?
It’s called history. Look in south america lmao if you guys go left, the US will coup you. You can try. Good luck
This is such insane logic.
“People will fight against you if you stand up for yourself. What are you thinking?”
Your suggestion is…what exactly? Don’t try to fight for what’s right because it comes with a cost? I just don’t understand people.
No don’t get me wrong I wish that could happen and I’d be all for it. My point is that if you’re waiting for that while voting for liberals, you might wait a while. But you’re right, I am being defeatist. Take care <3
You’ve never heard of strike breakers? Pinkertons? Battle of Blair Mountain?
I mean that’s just your own ignorance at this point
“You’ve never heard of water? Why would you start a fire?”
What kind of logic is that?
I’m not saying red right, I’m saying it’s absurd that you’ve never heard of the battles against unions in the US.
lol why would that matter if you didn’t agree with him? What’s your point?
And FYI, I read a book called “Inventing the Pinkertons,” aaallll about the company since their inception, from the Allen who chased outlaws and fabricated an assassination plot against Lincoln to boost his company, through to his sons who took over and became the supreme anti-labor army.
How did you not know about Allen Pinkerton actually being pro labor and fleeing Scotland for his involvement in a labor movement there?
Now—I don’t know if you knew this. But this is to give an example of how stupid your comment has been because you have no idea what I know about the pinkertons and the history of labor conflict and nothing I said would give you any reason to think I don’t know what you’re referencing.
You literally said it.
Although I will admit I haven’t heard this one before.
As an excuse. As an excuse. You’ve never heard someone say “I’ve never heard that one before?” It’s a very common phrase. You should write it down, it’ll become useful sometime later for you, I’m sure.
But I’ll tell you what kills the labor rights movement way more effectively than strike breakers, militarized police victimizing picketers, and a private detective agency from the turn of the century that has since changed so much as to basically not exist in that function anymore, is never striking in the first place.
I swear to fuckin god, there is some insanely backwards thinking every single time a strike is brought up. And it’s almost uniform. But modern people have come to think of general strikes as a thing that’s just not possible anymore. They don’t need a modern day Pinkertons. They have you.
And they won’t when you try to open gulags? Lmao what is your actual plan here? Or are you just a defeatist
I don’t WANT to open gulags but think of the alternative.
Okay, so we agree that gulags are off the table, and you also think a general strike is off the table. I ask you again, what alternative solution are you offering?
Look I am all for direct action and passive resistance. My point is that the liberals are not going to help.