Germany: Berlin schools asked to distribute leaflet describing the 1948 Nakba as a 'myth'

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Germany: Berlin schools asked to distribute leaflet describing the 1948 Nakba as a 'myth' - Lemmy.World

Germany’s leading Social Democratic Party (SPD) and the opposition Christian Democratic Party (CDU) have ordered high schools in Berlin’s borough of Neukolln to distribute brochures titled The Myth of Israel #1948. The brochure states there are five “myths” around the creation of the state of Israel, which are subsequently refuted in short essays by various authors. In the first section, debunking myth #1, that Jews and Arabs lived together in peace before Israel was founded, Israel’s pre-state militia, the Haganah, responsible for the destruction of 531 Palestinian villages and the expulsion of 700,000 Palestinians between December 1947 and the summer of 1948, is promoted as a merely “defensive” Jewish resistance movement. “Myth #5: Israel is to blame for the Nakba”, includes a text by researcher Shany Mor titled “the UN is distorting the meaning of the Nakba: its view of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is extremely one-sided”. In the text, Mor states that “displacement during war - then and now - was nothing unusual”. He also labels the UN’s attention to the Palestinian cause “obsessive” and the Arab defeat of 1948 a myth.

I’m as appalled as anyone here, but as someone who speaks German, follows German media and worked in Germany for several years, please stop with the misinformed “Germany supporting genocide again hurr durr” bullshit.

Germans know their history and every kid is taught a deep shame of what past Germans had done. They feel they owe an infinitely large debt to all Jews for the horrors of the holocaust. They all still feel responsible.

There are laws against antisemitism. Again, this is reasonable for a country with this history. They don’t want any of this to come back, or to make a joke or justification of what happened. Joke about Nazis in public and you’ll find yourself in trouble immediately.

About the current events in Gaza. German media and politicians interpret criticism of Israel as coming from antisemitism, even if the criticism itself may be justified. But they may not hear your arguments at all, if they think you’re just saying these things because of some secret antisemitic agenda. It’s not that there isn’t any criticism, but there is very little and it’s always surrounded with a lot of “I’m not antisemitic” qualifiers. You can say something about the Israeli government, but not about the existence of Israel itself. You can call the killing in Gaza terrible tragedy, but never a genocide. Public protest doesn’t do that kind of nuance, so it’s regarded as highly suspect. The chant “from the river to the sea” is tainted, so you can’t say it at all, regardless of intent, interpretation of its meaning, they will flat out stop you. In this sense, dialog is certainly difficult. Once you cross the line, they will dismiss anything after that as the ramblings of just another antisemite.

I’m not saying I agree with any of this, but this is how German society at large sees it. For me personally, zionism and Israel are harmful remnants of colonialist thinking that have no place in this century. Germany needs to grow up when it comes to their stance on Israel. Israel can’t keep oppressing Arabs the way they have. Peace can only come from trying to restore justice and that means equal rights for non-Jews, return of land, right to return of refugees, economic aid, etcetera.

Germany should look at South Africa, Northern Ireland and to their own German Unification as examples from history to follow, and admit their holocaust trauma is distorting their view of the current situation.

Germany is supporting Genocide dude.

You should learn a thing or two about your History. You clearly didn’t pay attention in school.

Never again means never again for anyone.

This right here is what I’m talking about. We all know the history, thank you very much. Germany’s stance comes from extreme loyalty to Jews to make up for past crimes, not from a desire to genocide Gazans. I can’t say it any more plainly. These jokes and remarks about “Germans always be genociding” are insulting and incorrect.

And you don’t have to explain me how Israel is absolutely in the wrong in this conflict, my friend.

Germany was a big fan of expulsing all the Jews to another country. This has nothing to do with wanting to protect them.

In fact the opposite is true. Getting all the Jews to voluntarily migrate completely falls in line with Nazi ideology…

The Madagascar Plan was a plan proposed by the Nazi German government to forcibly relocate the Jewish population of Europe to the island of Madagascar.

Franz Rademacher, head of the Jewish Department of the German Foreign Office, proposed the idea in June 1940

Germany has a massive Nazi party in the AfD right now. So the actual protection of Jews does not seem like a German priority.

Madagascar Plan - Wikipedia

AfD are not all Germans. You know this. There have been widespread protests. I’m assuming you’re Dutch and I hope you would be equally offended if people said you are complicit in Geert Wilders horrible utterings. There aren’t any widespread protests of PVV as for the AfD.

I don’t see the point in arguing here, to be honest. I am not defending anything bad here. I’m just sick of the kneejerk reaction equating present day Germans to actual 1940s Nazis for shits and giggles.

We need Germans who support Israel unconditionally to consider that Jews aren’t the victims this time, and that protecting Jewry from antisemitism does not mean they can’t de anything wrong, ever. It doesn’t help if people show a blatant disregard for the history and sensibilities of German society

Any comparisons of this Genocide in Gaza to the Dutch being very helpful to Nazi Germany in 1940 are fully justified too. The Dutch were massive Nazi’s and once again the Dutch are massive Nazi’s.

If anything I encourage people to use these stereotypes to showcase how we are making the same mistakes as in the past once again. .

Dutch PM Mark Rutte said “How can we make it look like israel isn’t committing war crimes” because he wants to be promoted the NATO top general and is a giant bootlicker. This is not just Geert Wilders.

If the Netherlands starts giving F35 parts to israel again please start calling them Nazi’s I have zero objections to that.

Fair enough but the generalizations aren’t helping. We need them to see how Israel is on the wrong side, because simply calling them Nazis is just adding to the confusion. How can they be Nazis by supporting Jews, they’ll say. It doesn’t make sense.

The big parallel that makes israel so comparable to Nazism is that israel has ethnically cleansed all these Palestinians into a giant concentration camp and is systematically murdering them through starvation and mass executions.

Nazism was not just about Jews. It was about Black people, gay people and Gypsies too. Everyone not part of the “majority” group needed to die.

In fact most of the victims of WW2 on the European side were Russians. 20 Million. And we don’t talk about the Germans.

Nazism is currently the most well known example of racial superiority because of bloodline.

I don’t know why you keep telling me this. You keep drawing me into some conversation about how awful it is what’s happening, and I agree. I never said otherwise. This isn’t about that. I know what is happening. I’m just trying to give the German perspective because it’s nothing like Germans are always supporting genocide or their culture is still full of Nazi shit. It isn’t.