Next women will have to marry their rapist.
Remember the anti abortion bullshit is from the same book, that mandates women marry their rapist!

Remember HRC helped Trump win in the Republican primaries because she thought he’d be easier to beat.

These are the same people who tell you progressives and leftists are “too radical”.

We can’t defeat fascism without fighting moderates. They would rather lose to fascists than compromise with leftists and progressives.

I mean, can you fault someone for thinking Trump was unelectable?

While Hillary/Democratic party are at fault how they treated democrats during that election cycle, I think the US at large was at fault for its overall outcome.

I think the US at large was at fault for its overall outcome.

I think these kinds of statements just seek to dismiss the very necessary conversations we need to have about the ineptitude or outright corruption of establishment Democrats which results in unnecessary losses or unnecessarily close races. I also think people are very quick to revert back from this broad blame attitude as soon as leftists or progressives state they’ll be voting 3rd party or write in. Ultimately moderates are the largest voting bloc in the Democrat party. If we assume the primaries aren’t straight up rigged by the DNC then it’s the moderate voters who control the outcome of the primaries. The lions share of the responsibility falls to them and yet they’ve done nothing to change course.

The lions share of the responsibility falls to them and yet they’ve done nothing to change course.

I think you’re agreeing with them here. There’s a point to be made that the voters are the problem too.

No. When moderates become the focus of the blame they shift to “Well we’re all responsible.” but when progressives and leftists say they’re voting 3rd party or write in they’re like “You’re the reason why Trump won in 2016.” There’s never any moment where the moderates take responsibility for the garbage candidates they vote for in the primaries or their complete refusal to compromise with leftists or progressives despite desperately needing their votes.

Let me ask a hypothetical – if Sanders had been the candidate, would you have expected him to move a bit to the right to compromise with moderates and get their votes?

The whole “earn my vote” model often doesn’t consider the opposite. If you won’t vote for a moderate candidate because they haven’t earned your vote, why should a moderate vote for a progressive candidate if they feel their vote hasn’t been earned? What if moderates aren’t voting for progressives in primaries because the progressives aren’t trying to earn their vote?

I’m saying this as a progressive by the way. I think it’s a worthwhile critique that if moderate candidates need to earn our votes, so do progressive candidates. And if moderates don’t feel like their votes have been earned by the progressive candidate, it’s worthwhile for us to talk with them and explore why. I’m not going to deign to think that I’m right about everything and morally superior compared to them.

The whole “earn my vote” model often doesn’t consider the opposite. If you won’t vote for a moderate candidate because they haven’t earned your vote

I did though. I voted for Biden in 2020. I compromised and got nothing in return. I’m out. I’m not voting for Biden again. I’m voting 3rd party or writing in.

You’ve just demonstrated how backwards and ridiculous the thinking is. Moderates have gotten so used to winning elections on their own they don’t even realize when people are compromising for them.

I mean I agree, that’s my point. I don’t like the “earn my vote” model of thinking

What is the benefit of democracy if candidates aren’t trying to earn your vote?