return2ozma'Doom spending' takes hold among younger consumers
paddirnWhen there’s almost no hope of owning a home ever, why bother saving? If I hadn’t gotten a home right before the housing market went to shit, I’d be discouraged too. As nice as it is seeing my little condo skyrocket in value, I’d rather all homeowners lost value in their homes if it meant home-buying was easier for more people. It doesn’t help having a place that’s doubled in value if every other home on the market has also doubled in value along with it.
i don’t see peaceful ways out of this mess and that scares me
The psychos see what happens in places where the ruling class gets what they want at all costs, and they still want the juice. Says everything you need to know about society.
Semi-Hemi-DemigodHelen is living in her car, trying to feed her kids
She got laid off of work and her house was repossessed
It's hard to think clearly when it's 38 degrees
Desperate people have been known to render desperate deeds
But when she shot that family and moved into their home
The paper read she suffered from dementia
- NOFX, The Irrationality of Rationality
The Irrationality of Rationality
GhostalmediaThe Daily did a good piece about several weeks ago. youtu.be/MVVW0symuu8
My reason to save was always retirement, end of life care, etc. And real talk, the money sink into my 401k is doing better than the money I’m sinking into the house I was lucky enough to score 5 years ago.
My main reason to buy a house was not because real estate was a better investment for me. It wasn’t. Like many of us, I hated my landlords, hated the fact that nothing ever got fixed in my rentals, hated noisy neighbors that were a wall away, etc.
Should You Rent or Buy? The New Math.
XhieronAbsolutely. It doesn’t matter what my house’s value is because I can’t afford to sell it. I couldn’t afford to replace it, and my house is the only realistic way I’ll be able to retire someday and actually have a roof over my head.
NeatoIt also screws people like you over. Changing homes is going to be hell. When prices rise the variance between an OK home and a pretty nice home will shrink. Just like rents are getting squeezed. There’s an upper cap on most types of homes in specific locations (at least until the corps buy them all) as there is with rent. So we’ll end up seeing houses that used to be $1-200k difference become a lot closer in price. Meaning why would anyone sell to downsize if the trade-off isn’t worth it?
Or a complete shit home and a meh home. Downsizing and lateral changes will result in big losses in equity.
rudyharrelsonIf I hadn’t gotten a home right before the housing market went to shit, I’d be discouraged too.
Same. My family hit the lottery when we decided to buy a house when the covid pandemic was tanking the market. Locked in a mortgage at around 2.25% and feel so privileged every day for it. The apartment we lived in at the time said they were upping the rent nearly 30% when we were due to renew, so we started looking at houses. We were incredibly lucky that we met someone entirely by chance who was planning on selling their home around the same time our apartment lease was due to renew. They never even listed their house on the market so we didn't have to deal with getting into a bidding war. And it was within our budget. And I got a raise at work right before we signed the papers (we were already gonna be able to afford it, but just barely). The stars aligned in so many ways at such an uncertain time in our lives.
It's one of the few things that gives me comfort in trying times. So many things could go wrong, but we've got a house with a fixed mortgage and a very low interest rate and a half acre of land for our kid to run around and play in. I'd say my general anxiety levels have been lower since buying a house cause it just passively comforts me to have gotten so lucky. Even though maintaining a home is a big responsibility compared to renting an apartment, it's totally worth it, and I've enjoyed becoming more handy over the years as things have needed fixing.
With any luck, we'll never move again. It's a nice place about 15 minutes from the nearest town, which is already a rural area, so there's little light pollution so the stargazing opportunities are nice. Hoping to eventually add some solar panels to the roof to lower the energy bill one of these days.
If we were still living in a basic apartment and paying effectively the same amount in rent that we're currently paying in mortgage for a 3 bed 2 bath house with a garage, I'd be depressed as fuck about it every day.
Because there is more to life than just owning a home? How about having some buffer in the event you lose your job, or get sick, or a million other reasons. You’re way too fixated on the idea of owning a house.
There’s more to it than the idea of owning a home. A 30-year fixed mortgage means your “rent” will be the same* for 30 years. Then you just… Don’t have to pay it any more. Need to move? That’s cool, you can just take that equity you’ve got and put it towards your next house.
* yes, I know property tax and insurance is a thing. The bulk of the payment is for principal and interest
Totally. But just because you can’t afford to buy a home doesn’t mean you should blow your savings.
I’d like if home-buying was more affordable, but we are still stuck in the supply problem. My brother put his house on the market and priced it the highest any house in his neighbors sold for. He got an offer for that in 2 weeks. The housing value will crash if the market get flooded, but home builders don’t want that.
Dont you guys not have phones parents? You will get a house once they die. If you have siblings, tough luck, you will have to battle royale for the house.
KoboldCoterieThe 23-year-old recently purchased a condo in Streeterville as an investment, with plans to renovate the unit and either sell or rent it out.
That line right there tells you basically all you need to know about this person’s opinion. “Doom spending” isn’t what’s keeping the vast majority of 23 year olds from purchasing a condo as an investment.
DeceptichumId settle for a condo to live in.
I have friends that get drawn into ads and who are promoted to make a purchase, which I find to be silly and immature.
“Those silly poors, enjoying life with what meager luxuries they can afford! I’m smart because I have money to buy multiple properties, which I clearly deserve because I was born into it.”
Economic writers always seem to find the richest people they know to interview about things. How about this guy talks to someone with negative net worth and a minimum wage job instead?
I wonder how many average 23-year-olds can afford a condo?
Don’t you just hate it when you impulse buy a rental property?
DominusOfMegadeusMichelle Griffith, Chicago-based senior wealth adviser at Citi Personal Wealth Management, said it’s concerning. Many consumers she’s talked to don’t have hope that they can achieve the American dream. “There will be a time when inflation and prices will continue to go down. The Fed is already talking about that. You see that on the horizon now,” Griffith said. “What I want [consumers] to recognize is inflation is cyclical. It doesn’t stay the same, and doom spenders have to keep that in mind.”
Hey Michelle, the price gouging won’t go away on its own, and it’s not cyclical. Hate to break it to you. Also the Fed are a bunch of jackasses, with extremely limited tools.
Also, I have never seen prices go down except for gas. The Fed wants around 2% inflation every year.
She's a pretty shitty wealth advisor if she thinks these things.
Sorry off topic but your name is amazing!
Lem JukesIsn’t that a line from Moana?
Really?! I haven’t seen it but maybe lol
And inflation isn’t like loan or mortgage rates. It going down didn’t change the inflation that built up. It’s cumulative. Those few years of 5-7% inflation made everything more expensive by that amount. And our wages didn’t increase by that amount. So effectively we all earn about that much less for no reason.
The inflation already went up, Michelle. Prices aren’t going to drop.
This also just misses the point entirely. Young people expect society as we know it to end within our lifetimes. Even if inflation does down for a bit, the ocean is still gonna be acidic af.
The cost of groceries goes up - it never goes down. Electric rates are going up and it seems everything is going up. Medical care is horrible expensive and it’s not going to come back down again. I don’t know what planet she’s on.
The rich, out of touch planet, I’m guessing. I call it “Opulantis.”
I've seen this and known the end was coming since I was a teenager 25 years ago.
Who care about consumer spending when I've been watching the current biosphere die off for my whole adult life?
I'm supposed to save for a future in a society that's pretty obviously collapsing as the biosphere deteriorates?
I don't have zero hope for the future but the idea that this current infinite expansion system can continue is obviously wrong.
Agreed. A buddy and I discussed the societal cart careening down the hill twenty+ years ago when GW Bush was in office. I had mentioned that the wheels would fly off if it got worse. Well, it got a lot worse. Almost exponentially worse.
Who care about consumer spending when I’ve been watching the current biosphere die off for my whole adult life?
I’m supposed to save for a future in a society that’s pretty obviously collapsing as the biosphere deteriorates?
The only type of news I consistently paid attention to over my teenage and adult life was environmental news. These two questions strongly inspired me to do something in my life for myself instead of blindly following in other people’s footsteps.
When I was in my mid 20’s, I abandoned the idea of retirement. Took all my money out of stocks and retirement plans. Sold or donated the majority of what I owned and went off to explore and have experiences. I don’t regret it but I’m still filled with so much sadness with how much damage and loss is happening all around us.
In my mid 20’s, I blindly predicted that ecological collapse would happen when I would be in my 80’s. That number has been dropping rapidly with more news coming out about the current state of the environment. Everything is casually happening faster than expexted.
Welp I feel called out as I design a server with GPU passthrough 🤯
☂️-how you setting that baby up?
virtualized windows with streaming?
Thinking proxmox hypervisor with a windows VM that has full GPU privilege. There is software called moonlight that I am going to try, to stream it to my local network.
i use sunshine/moonlight and it works pretty well!
Haha I am so excited! I remember the days of Stadia and I could play triple a games on my phone! So many possibilities
you can totally do it, my phone paired with a controller is now my poor man’s deck.
doom spending? lolwat. that’s just spending with extra steps.
Eh, I’m in this category. Why save money for retirement, when I could just enjoy today? Is life ever going to get better than right now?
What’s the point of living a worse life right now to bank on a retirement that may or may not happen in a world which will be measurably worse in almost every way? Rich people and politicians don’t give a fuck about climate change.
They managed to run Doom on spending?
Lmao, it can truly run on anything.
Another year another propaganda buzzword to keep the masses blaming themselves.