Zstom6IPOne of the mods is removing the no tankies rule, this must not continue.
Since you chose to air this publicly, I’ll respond publicly. I’ve been removing your undemocratic “rule” addition for a few reasons.
We are a democratic community and as such all rules are voted upon. When you agreed to live our values, I made this post to ratify our rules. The comment I KNOW you’re going to cite was posted a full week after the rules were ratified. It’s wholly undemocratic and against the values of our community to just decide your rule is an exception and add it without seeking consensus. Here’s a screenshot to jog your memory.
The rules and posting expectations already ban the behaviors exhibited by people labelled tankies. This “rule” seems to be for your ego rather than any practical reason.
“Mods have final say” is in regards to interpreting and enforcing the rules of our community. It does not excuse unilateral changes to the rules.
As the only active mod, I can tell you with absolute certainty that tankies have not been a problem in this community. The lemmy instances people point to as being tanky are banned by LW and cannot interact with the community at all. The problem I’ve noticed are people denying the genocide of Palestinians.
Edit: I don’t have any control in how you choose to handle issues in our community, I just react the way that seems most appropriate. That being said, I do want to find a solution here. I believe we should ban the behaviors of tankies, rather than leave it up to interpretation for what’s allowed. We have a few options here; I’d prefer we make a metapost on amending the rules to whether we should explicitly ban support for totalitarianism or ban tankie discourse.
New Community Rules - Lemmy.World
Edit: After several days of allowing for people to discuss these rules, there has been no major feedback. In light of this, these rules are now considered the new rules of the community. Hey all! rockSlayer here with a mod update. Recently, I reached out to the other mods and we came to a consensus to operate our community by our values and democratically select community rules. We also want to use some ideas intended to lead discussion. As long as there are no major objections, these are the things being considered. If there’s anything you’d like to see, add it in the comments! Rules regarding behavior: * Absolutely no fascism, right wing extremism, genocide denial, etc. * Good faith discussion about ideologies is encouraged, but no sectarianism * No brocialism/sexism * No ableism * No TERFs/ anti-LGBTQ+ rhetoric * No racism * No trolling * No insults, dunking, or personal attacks * No posting of misinformation, disinformation, or fake news * Remember that there is no “right way” to implement leftist theory. Do not accuse historically classified socialist countries of “doing it wrong”. This rule does not prevent academic criticism. * Try to avoid extremely sensitive topics unless approaching them with appropriate care for intersectionality. Use your best judgement, and be prepared to provide respectable sources when having these discussions. Wikipedia is not an acceptable source in these cases. * Mods have final say Posting Expectations: * Comics/memes/shitposts/propaganda are only allowed on weekends * Try to avoid liberalism unless discussing electoral politics. Even then, try to focus on tactical agreement towards leftist goals * Only one meta post seeking consensus per person per day * Posts about a particular ideology are ok, but remember the rules above * Post titles must be meaningful and relevant, except on weekends Ideas for discussion: (admittedly, this section is a lot more loosely structured, and will probably result in meta posts. That’s ok) - Topic/ideology of the week. This could be done a few ways, like a megathread. It could also affect what ideological posts are allowed for the week. The next week’s topic could be voted on in a mod-pinned meta post. - Theory Thursdays. On Thursday, post articles/questions/videos/infographics discussing leftist theory. This could be as simple or complex as you want. Alternatively, this could work in conjunction with the topic of the week - Create a discord/matrix server
qevlarrMaybe it helps if you make explicit that this is not a tankie space, they are not welcome, even if you understandably don’t want a rule specific to tankies. Every leftist subreddit has been taken over by tankie mods and I don’t want that to happen here
This needs to be done.
Great response. Thanks for keeping things cool and professional, and respecting actually democratic values. I’m glad to see we had a great mod.
Edit: I don’t have any control in how you choose to handle issues in our community, I just react the way that seems most appropriate. That being said, I do want to find a solution here. I believe we should ban the behaviors of tankies, rather than leave it up to interpretation for what’s allowed. We have a few options here; I’d prefer we make a metapost on amending the rules to whether we should explicitly ban support for totalitarianism or ban tankie discourse.
I would certainly appreciate this. While I have significant problems with the pro-totalitarian ideology (I’m closest to anarcho-syndicalism - rigid hierarchy, trusting in a human with absolute power to act selflessly, and mass murder of dissidents doesn’t sit well with me), when they are well-behaved and the toxic behavior disallowed, they can provide great discourse. I would echo others in stating that vigilance against the comm being subverted for totalitarianism is important but, do agree that the other rules really should cover the biggest behavioral problems.
the community didnt vote on those rules though.