return2ozmaFeb 14, 2024

Liberals Are Not Laughing About Jon Stewart's Jabs at Joe Biden

https://lemmy.world/post/11967681

Liberals Are Not Laughing About Jon Stewart's Jabs at Joe Biden - Lemmy.World

>He also said that the danger posed by another Trump term doesn’t excuse Biden from scrutiny but “actually makes him more subject to scrutiny.” >To leftists and progressives fed up with Biden, particularly his commitment to Israel as it continues to bomb civilians in Gaza, the assessment was not just fair — it was obvious. But more centrist Democrats, including those most likely to have appended “Blue Wave” and “Resistance” labels to their social media accounts in the Trump years, were appalled at what they saw as a betrayal by one of their own.

Show threadxmunkFeb 15, 2024

Too fucking bad. They’re accurate and we need to accept them to avoid making the same mistake in the future.

Biden is an absolutely awful candidate, especially if his running mate is Kamala Harris - but if it’s him vs. Trump I’ll vote for him any day.

Democrats need to stop picking the most deeply flawed candidates they can find - Hillary Clinton being such an awful candidate is how we got Trump in the first place.

Show threadfedroxxFeb 15, 2024
I’d never vote for Biden. But I’ll vote against Trump any chance I get.
Show threadHACKthePRISONSFeb 15, 2024
voting for Jill Stein or Cornel West is voting against Trump AND Biden
Show threadFur_Fox_SheikhFeb 15, 2024
Except not in a first past the post system. Voting 3rd party is just a vote for whichever of the two main parties you like least. Sucks, but that’s reality.
Show threadHACKthePRISONSFeb 15, 2024
this is election misinformation. votes for so-called third parties are counted as votes for those candidates. only votes for Republicans get counted as Republican votes and only votes for Democrats get counted as Democrat votes.
Show threadFur_Fox_SheikhFeb 15, 2024

It’s not misinformation to state how things end up functioning in practice. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger's_law?wprov=sfla1 It’s a well known thing for anyone who’s studied the tiniest bit of political science (or you know, was around in 2000 for that US election).

The way the votes get counted only matters insofar as their tangible real world outcome. The fact that your individual vote went to a specific third party or even abstaining ends up being irrelevant. The outcomes are the same and the party you prefer least is more likely to win. Again, I’m not advocating that this is a good system, but it is our current reality and stating that to be misinformation is ignorant at best or straight up manipulative propaganda at worst.

Duverger's law - Wikipedia

Show threadHACKthePRISONSFeb 15, 2024

>The way the votes get counted only matters insofar as their tangible real world outcome. The fact that your individual vote went to a specific third party or even abstaining ends up being irrelevant.

this sounds like misinformation AND voter suppression: telling people their vote won't count.

shame on you.

Show threadFur_Fox_SheikhFeb 15, 2024
I won’t disagree with you that it is voter suppression in the sense that it supresses votes for third parties, but I didn’t set up the system so maybe channel your anger towards more productive means other than shooting the messenger.
Show threadHACKthePRISONS
i'd say telling people their votes won't count is shitty, especially when they are literally counted.
Feb 15, 2024 at 2:03pmWeb
Show threadFur_Fox_SheikhFeb 15, 2024

I never said they won’t be counted, just that it doesn’t matter if your goal is to get as similarly minded a group elected. You made up that claim, but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and say that’s because we view the goal of voting through very different lenses. If that isn’t your goal and it’s just to “see number go up” as it seems then sure you’re 100% right. Depends on what is important to you. To me practical results matter more than getting to feel morally smug.

Either way, lots of your responses (not just to me in this thread) are sounding right out of right wing playbooks so I’m gonna say so long since I don’t think you’re arguing in good faith.

Show threadHACKthePRISONSFeb 15, 2024

>To me practical results matter more than getting to feel morally smug.

i don't believe in voting for people unless i want them to have the office. it's not about being morally smug, it's about voting for a candidate i want to win.

Show threadHACKthePRISONSFeb 15, 2024

>Either way, lots of your responses (not just to me in this thread) are sounding right out of right wing playbooks

pigeonholing

>so I’m gonna say so long since I don’t think you’re arguing in good faith.

your accusation of bad faith is, itself, bad faith. but have a nice day i guess.