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"A frequent request from the #FreeBSD community and fan base is a curated list of laptops validated to run FreeBSD out of the box. To this end, we've recently begun discussions with one of our favorite laptop companies, Framework
Stay tuned!" (Edited out Puter from the bird site)

@frameworkcomputer @FreeBSDFoundation

funny how non-profit organizations like freebsd's endorse venture capitalists like framework's. the "modularity" in the framework is a good step in hardware design, but what good does it do if it's just proprietary and closed hardware? how is it useful when it's centralized like any other manufacturer? oh, and i forgot the proprietary UEFI firmware on the non-chromebook models and non-removable batteries. the MNT Reform is a lot more promising.

@yunori @frameworkcomputer @FreeBSDFoundation

As far as I know everything Framework themselves designed is fully open, unfortunately they can't do the same about hardware they source from their vendors. And what's the crap about batteries not being replaceable? They are easily replaceable and framework made newer batteries with higher capacities you can just slot into older Framework models if you just upgrade the firmware

@gloopsies source?

@yunori

I don't know what part do you need the source for but:

Framework hardware repository: https://github.com/FrameworkComputer

Framework battery upgrade information:
https://frame.work/products/battery?v=FRANBBAT01

Also source: I have a framework laptop and know how it works

Framework

Remaking consumer electronics to respect people and the planet - Framework

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@gloopsies ok, they have a lot of stuff open-sourced, the part about the hardware, i understand, tho i believe it's not an excuse. the GPU module's schematics could be released without releasing the schematics for the GPU itself. they don't even have that direction in mind. which is why i prefer the mnt reform over the framework laptop.
@gloopsies all in all, the is not a company that is ideologically determined to follow the OSS philosophy, let alone the libre one. why? there continued support for proprietary OSs like Windows, no coreboot. to big corpos like these, "open-source" is just a buzz word that can attract users. linux is in rn and they wanna profit off of it. do they have good reliable laptops for professionals? probably. is there modular approach something good? to some extent. i am criticising the capitalist corpo.

@yunori

The company whose goal is to actually have enough money to survive is giving their users the OS they want to use, what a crime they have committed...
They support Linux, they support upgradability and most of their hardware is fully open. Believe me their margins are really small and they are doing everything they can to the best of their ability and they are making a great machine. Also the coreboot thing is not their decision but their vendors

@yunori

If you want to be angry about capitalists and big corporations there are many that deserve it, but Framework does not deserve it at all. If they stopped caring I'll be the first one to raise a pitchfork

@gloopsies battery capacities diminish quite fast. having a power bank that will charge a battery that can barely hold up a 10 Wh capacity is not useful. an easily removable batteries *without screws* might be of help and compliment the powerbank you bought.

things like "for sure" and "believe me" regarding a for-profit capitalist venture like framework's aren't really doing you any favours. you are putting a lot of faith in a corpo that's treating you as a cash cow. this is going nowhere.

@gloopsies
none of what you said is true. linux works on any sillicon piece of computing that you install it. hardware is not open. revenue, margins? you can't claim anything about that due to their lack of transparency. coreboot? well purism's liberm14 with comet lake uses coreboot.

@yunori

Linux doesn't work on any device especially not on newly released ones. There is a lot of care put into choosing the parts like the fingerprint reader and wifi cards that will be compatible with and making sure that the drivers and firmware work under Linux.

For example when the Framework AMD 13 first released there was a regression on motherboard firmware that made it so gpu doesn't work well in Linux specifically.
Any other company wouldn't care about it but Framework fixed it asap.

@yunori

Also as I have said framework doesn't make every part of their laptop, they source parts from other vendors that unfortunately don't yet support coreboot