Mastodawn

mlg Feb 12, 2024

It’d be funny if he weren’t actively supporting a genocide

neeshie Feb 12, 2024

Idk why ur being down voted, this was posted right after Israel killed about a hundred Palestinians in rafah in one hour during the Superbowl.

【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】Feb 12, 2024

Okay what does one thing have to do with the other? Saying 100 civilians without more information doesn’t add or explain anything.

It looks bad and it’s tragic, vut all Israel needs to do is have a good faith military target and make a good faith attempt to warn people in the area, and while it may still look bad and will still be tragic, it won’t be criminal.

There are over a million people crammed into rafah right now. They were told it was a safe zone and they have nowhere else to go. And Israel bombed them, including camps of tents, with bombs that Biden gave them.

Edit: the targets also included 3 mosques and 14 homes (just like normal single family houses)

Nobody said Rafah was safe. They said go south, it will be safer than the north.

And Israel still warns people before airstrikes. They call them on the phone even

13,000 children are dead idk why ur still trying to do this. They bombed civilian targets, they have absolutely no excuse for that. Even if they are still warning people with phone calls, (which is doubtful considering that gaza doesn’t have super reliable electricity and connectivity, and most of the people in rafah aren’t from there so israel might not even know where they are) Israel still isn’t allowed to just blow up people’s houses without actual proof that the military importance of bombing said house outweighs the fact that it’s civilian infrastructure. Same with mosques.

They use the cell phone network to locate phones, then they send calls and texts. You can usually find recordings and screenshots after an airstrike.

Of course, the media basically never reports on it.

If there is a tunnel under the building, that’s not a civilian target.

Ok, I’ll be waiting here for evidence that there were tunnels being used by hamas under every single one of those homes, and that israel was using bunker busters to actually destroy them. But I don’t expect i’ll ever get that, because Israel consistently lies about this stuff and then just waits for people to forget it instead of backing up their claims.

Israel doesn’t owe you anything.

And when they do release proof, you say “Jews are liars.”

See how that works? There’s no reasoning with your type.

Israel does have to prove that they didn’t commit a horrifying war crime. Cmon.

Also its ridiculous that you’re falling back on calling me antisemitic. If India did the same thing in Jammu and Kashmir, or Russia did it in Ukraine, I would also not believe any proof they presented until it was verified by a third party. That’s just basic critical thinking skills.

They don’t have to prove it to you, only to itself, maybe its allies. If there’s a valid military target and they take reasonable caution to minimize civilian casualties, it may still be horrifying but it’s literally not a war crime, and saying it is despite admitting that you don’t have the evidence doesn’t make it so.

In my view, the IDF is way more credible than Hamas.

Ok, can Russia also provide itself with evidence about Ukrainian forces being in civilian infrastructure to justify leveling an apartment?

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Is that what Russia claims when it does so? My recollection is that usually Russia offers no explanation or they deny their responsibility; they’ll say like, oh we were struck some military targets, but that apartment building was hit by Ukraine’s own missile defense system. Another difference is that Ukraine doesn’t have any sort of interconnected tunnel warfare system, let alone one that runs underneath every major city; it would be incredible to say that there were military tunnels under all these apartment buildings. Further, you can see from the Russian attacks that the missiles are frequently launched twenty or thirty at a time, and many of them don’t hit anything at all. Seems like it’s actually indiscriminate, intentional targeting of civilians: chiefly, I’m not aware of a single attempt by Russia to warn civilians before an airstrike, have seen zero screenshots and heard zero audio recordings of warnings. Ukraine is also credible when it says “there was no military target,” unlike Hamas, which incredibly denies everything. Again, if you throw a dart at a map of Gaza, you’re pretty much going to hit a tunnel: 400 miles of tunnels with 5,000 shafts in an area that is 25 miles wide at its widest point.

Russia doesn’t usually explain or elaborate that much. They just say “we only target military targets, whether obvious or disguised” and then shoot a missile at an school or something, killing civilians. And they could be telling the truth, because Ukraine has used civilian infrastructure like that before, but Russia never provides evidence that the specific school was used that way. This is pretty much the Russia/Ukraine equivalent of the tunnel system, bc you have valid military targets around/in some civilian infrastructure, but Russia ends up just bombing everything.

You also mentioned russian attacks being “actually indiscriminate”, but half of the bombs that Israel has dropped on Gaza have been unguided, so that seems like it’s also indiscriminate.

Also, according to this amnestly international report (amnesty.org/…/israel-opt-new-evidence-of-unlawful…), there are a lot of cases where Israel isn’t actually warning civilians before leveling their houses. They also say “Even if Israeli forces had intended to target legitimate military objectives in the vicinity, these attacks evidently failed to distinguish between military objectives and civilian objects and would therefore be indiscriminate. Indiscriminate attacks that kill and injure civilians are war crimes.”

So yeah, it’s not really debatable that Israel is committing war crimes. Stop trying to run defense for them.

New evidence of unlawful Israeli attacks in Rafah causing mass civilian casualties

Israeli forces continue to flout international humanitarian law, obliterating entire families with total impunity.

Amnesty International

There is no Russia/Ukraine equivalent of the tunnels. The Hamas tunnels are unprecedented in world history. Russia and Ukraine are both legitimate countries with legitimate governments.

Amnesty has no credibility anymore unfortunately. It is Hamas that has a duty of distinction, but it doesn’t usually wear uniforms and hides its fighters, weapons, and infrastructure right under people’s homes, hospitals, and school. Ya know, because it’s an illegal terrorist organization and in no way a legitimate government/state? Has Hamas ever once prosecuted its own people for war crimes? No, but it does stone people to death for being “collaborators.” Why don’t you stop trying to run defense for literal terrorists, designated as such by a few dozen different countires?

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