L4sBotFeb 11, 2024

Shell Is Immediately Closing All Of Its California Hydrogen Stations | The oil giant is one of the big players in hydrogen globally, but even it can't make its operations work here.

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Shell Is Immediately Closing All Of Its California Hydrogen Stations | The oil giant is one of the big players in hydrogen globally, but even it can't make its operations work here. - Lemmy.World

Shell Is Immediately Closing All Of Its California Hydrogen Stations | The oil giant is one of the big players in hydrogen globally, but even it can’t make its operations work here.::The oil giant is one of the big players in hydrogen globally, but even it can’t make its operations work here. All seven of its California stations will close immediately.

Show threadAA5BFeb 11, 2024
Looking forward to the upcoming Toyota announcement that they believe in the future of hydrogen more than ever
Show threadjabathekekFeb 11, 2024
Toyota, and Japan as a whole, are in a tricky situation with their electric grid. It’s been developed separately by nine different companies in each region; the southern regions use 60 Hz supply cycles, where-as the northern regions (including Tokyo Electric) use 50 Hz. Add to this the populations reluctance for nuclear power after Fukushima, and you get a very fragile supply grid with limited capacity. Toyota is gunning hard for Hydrogen because Japan itself can’t support EVs and for some reason it doesn’t want to/can’t manufacture both.
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Show threadzurohkiFeb 11, 2024
Okay, but if they don’t have the electricity for EVs they definitely don’t have enough electricity to waste 2/3 of it turning it into hydrogen and back.
Show threadNoRodentFeb 11, 2024
I mean yeah, but on the other hand with hydrogen you have much more control over when and where you use the electricity as you can choose to manufacture most of it during off-peak periods and when renewables create excess energy. Then you can transport it by pipes or by trucks/ships without overwhelming the electric grid.
Show threadzurohkiFeb 11, 2024
You can do off-peak charging with EVs too, that’s not a magical hydrogen thing. My hot water system is on its own circuit which can be turned off by the power company whenever they need to cut demand, providers have been doing that sort of thing for decades.
Show threadnexusbandFeb 12, 2024
You can’t store the power in EVs for weeks and weeks and also you can’t move it around on a whim, without loosing that stored energy.
Show threadSeaJ
That’s more an issue with hydrogen than it is with EVs. Hydrogen is very leaky.
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Show threadnexusbandFeb 12, 2024
No it isn’t. Toyota and Hyundai have had tanks for years now that are not leaking anything. Same goes for Linde.
Show threadSeaJFeb 12, 2024

Boil off from liquid hydrogen is still an issue as of 6 months ago:

www.hydrogeninsight.com/innovation/…/2-1-1522238

Rio Tinto’s scientist puts the boil off of hydrogen at about 1% per day in storage tanks.

Solving the liquid hydrogen boil-off problem | US awards $48m towards H2 research and development

Nearly $30m has gone towards improving liquid hydrogen storage and fuelling for vehicles

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