@volkris yeah nah. "Improving society" by putting people out of work while still demanding they pay in to capital isn't really an improvement

@Wolven @volkris The irony of the whole debate is, it isn't an either-or proposition. If the money made from the machines went to the people they replaced, instead of to some 3rd party investor who did nothing but have money already, then improving society could happen without impoverishing a group of people. If industrialism had manifested as worker cooperatives instead of capitalist enterprises, this would have been the natural outcome. But some rich dudes figured out how to stick their fingers in the pie and call dibs, and here we are, still dealing with the same ridiculous issues.

@volkris @Wolven @hosford42 Worse off? like exploited domestic and foreign labor and destruction of the environment for profit? People are innovative and discoveries often happen in spite of the for proti model, not because of. Co-ops would have gladly taken to tech as they would have been the beneficiaries. Also, what kicked off the second industrial revolution was replaceable machined precision parts, Something driven by the ingenious concept that any invention discovered by someone with a government contract became free and open source which causes massive explosion of shared ideas and innovation. The same was true with software until Gates innovated the mob tactics of protecting his IP religiously, never mind that he designed it on tax payer paid free computer time. Currently we have not innovation, just more ways to extract money because we are in a second gilded age. It wasn't until workers organized that people started enjoying the benefits of those things we worked hard for and paid money for pure science research on instead of all that money going toward and handful of the few.

For the sake of conserving energy, I wanted to share that this qoto.org instance looks to be problematic. It is part of the "United Federation Of Instances", which sounds to me like a libertarian/Nazi-loving/"free speech" (in the bad sense) group.

This thread inspired me to block qoto (and a few other instances) immediately. Alarming stuff: https://scholar.social/@researchfairy/109478203408550823 (I take it the "don't defederate from me club" is "United Federation Of Instances").

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