MicroWaveFeb 10, 2024

Americans, mostly women, are becoming more liberal: Gallup

https://lemmy.world/post/11792666

Americans, mostly women, are becoming more liberal: Gallup - Lemmy.World

American political ideology as a whole has shifted left in recent years, but women are becoming even more liberal, according to Gallup. The survey data, released Wednesday, shows that while the country remains largely center-right, the percentage of those identifying as or leaning liberal has increased over the past three decades, and is now just 1 percent under it’s all-time high. Roughly 36 percent of adults identify as conservative, 25 percent as liberal and the rest identify as either moderate or unsure, according to the poll. When broken down by gender ideology, women in the youngest and oldest age groups said they were more likely to identify as liberal. Women ages 18-29 were 40 percent more likely to be liberal in 2023, a slight decrease from 41 percent in 2022 and 44 percent in 2020, but still higher than the 30 percent in 2013. Those ages 65 and older were 25 percent more likely to identify as liberal — a slight increase from the 21 percent reported in 2013.

Show threadDessertStormsFeb 10, 2024

American political ideology as a whole has shifted left in recent years

Pfffffffffff... 😂🤦‍♀️
The American political landscape doesn't even have the left on it.

In all honesty, it's really fucking depressing that despite the blatant and open attack by one party on women's rights, and the complete impotence of the other to restore, or hell, even fucking address what bare minimum rights they once had, outside of a campaign speech, more women haven't realised that no one in the system is serving them, and shift to the actual left, but sadly the propaganda seems just too powerful (or on some cases, the other privileges still too comfortable to risk, even in the face of loss of autonomy to the state).

Show threadEcongradFeb 10, 2024
Agreeing with the morality of elective abortion does not equate to hating women or supporting women’s rights. There are a lot of women that are feminists that don’t support elective abortion. And it’s not something that you need to be a woman to have an opinion about considering it’s not just a woman’s body at stake.
Show threadDessertStormsFeb 10, 2024

And it’s not something that you need to be a woman to have an opinion about considering it’s not just a woman’s body at stake.

You're right about one thing, men and other people who have uteruses also get a say.
Over their own motherfucking bodies.
About which you get none, you abusive forced birther.

Show threadEcongradFeb 10, 2024
There is no such thing as a man with a uterus. You were born a man or a woman and gender equals the sex organs that you have with very very exceptions for people like those born intersex or people with kleinfelter syndrome.
Show threadmightyfoolishFeb 10, 2024

You are well within your right to say “abortion is a sin” like the way you are within your right to say “idolatry is a sin”.

The problem is that your argument for abortion being the same charge as murder doesn’t amount to good legal reasoning. Not wanting people avoiding consequences for “debauchery” is just reason why YOU don’t want abortion to be legal and NOT a good reason to make abortion a murder charge.

Show threadEcongrad
It’s not as an inconsequential as some obscure religious doctrine. You’re killing human beings in the name of convenience. It’s a perverse thing to try and pretend it’s about bodily autonomy.
Feb 11, 2024 at 12:34amWeb
Show threadmightyfoolishFeb 11, 2024
I never said anything about bodily autonomy. I stated that just because you think abortion is/can be “convenient” isn’t grounds for declaring abortion the same as a murder.
Show threadEcongradFeb 11, 2024

I’m anticipating your arguments. And it leaves you without recourse and you’re not sure what to do with that.

Just like you anticipated an argument there. But you were wrong because I don’t think abortion is murder. I think it’s ugly and I think it’s awful and I think it should be reduced and should not be allowed for any other reason than health threatening risk, rape or incest.

But it’s not murder. I don’t think we should be able to murder animals for convenience. I would place it in between an animal and an adult, fully born human.