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Florida man seriously injured and unable to speak after encounter with police, daughter says after her father was falsely accused of stealing a banana

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Florida man seriously injured and unable to speak after encounter with police, daughter says after her father was falsely accused of stealing a banana - Lemmy.World

A woman in Florida says her 55-year-old “medically fragile” father was falsely accused of theft at a Florida grocery store last week and then seriously injured in a violent encounter with police. Now, she says, he is hospitalized and has lost the ability to speak.

Feb 10, 2024 at 4:45pmWeb
Show threadJo MiranFeb 10, 2024
I see they opted for the Israeli definition of “measured and equitable response”.
Show threadjonneFeb 10, 2024
Reminder that the IDF trains US cops. Palestinians are used as guinea pigs for policing techniques.
Show threadNegativeInfFeb 10, 2024
We don’t have police. Just corporate enforcers. Pinkertons in different uniforms. Oh, you are accused of a 17 cent theft and didn’t do it? Eat lead I guess. I’m just so tired.
Show threadtsonfeirFeb 10, 2024
Bananas are $10
Show threadunalivejoyFeb 10, 2024
All this for a misdemeanor.
Show threadSilverCodeFeb 10, 2024
Lucille, is that you?
Show threadLucidlethargyFeb 10, 2024
There’s always money in the banana stand.
Show threadCoasting0942Feb 10, 2024

SCOTUS: processing, processing, processing……

Complete! If you don’t like it then just vote in a different police chief or mayor!

Show threaduisFeb 11, 2024

then just vote in a different police chief

You can do this?

Show threadCoasting0942Feb 11, 2024
Some police chiefs are elected yes.
Show threaduisFeb 11, 2024
Wow. Who can run for police chief?
Show threadCoasting0942Feb 11, 2024

For elected positions technically anybody.

Practically it’s a police officer endorsed by the previous chief and/or police union.

Show threadSon_of_dadFeb 10, 2024

If you get your house broken into, or your car stolen the police can’t even be bothered to pretend to care. They treat your theft like an inconvenience to them and will tell you there’s nothing they can do.

But if you’re a corporation, they’ll rush right over and cripple a shoplifter for stealing a banana.

Show threadagent_flounderFeb 10, 2024
Hey now, they also specialize in oppressing minorities.
Show threaduisFeb 11, 2024
No, they specialize in protecting minorities. Minority. You know which one.
Show threaduisFeb 11, 2024

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    Show threadWarlordSdocyFeb 10, 2024
    There seems to be a lot of gaps in that timeline in the 1800s, wonder what they were doing then 🤔
    Show threadCosmonauticusFeb 10, 2024
    Blame boomers and genX. Black/brown ppl have been preaching about police brutality for decades. The only reason they weren’t beating the shit out of white ppl then was they where middle class. Now that everyone is either rich or poor they’re coming for the rest of you.
    Show threadandyburkeFeb 10, 2024

    Just how they want us. I feel you, but fuck the corporate garbage world those motherfuckers are trying to build.

    Time to tear shit down and fix it. The world doesn't have to be like this. We just need to tell the corporations to fuck off and regulate them again.

    Show threadharkFeb 10, 2024

    We don’t have police. Just corporate enforcers.

    They’re the same thing.

    Show threadSoleInvictusFeb 10, 2024
    They really shouldn’t be. The US is seriously fucked up.
    Show threadpinkdrunkenelephantsFeb 11, 2024
    They always inherently will be because people are inherently evil and domineering, and quite simply can’t be trusted with that kind of power.
    Show threadgirlfreddyFeb 10, 2024

    “At first, I was trying to ask her what happened, and she was like, ‘People like you and him shouldn’t come into the store if you don’t have money to pay for things,’” Anjelica Lee said. “My mom is white, and my dad is Black. So I’m mixed. So I think she meant Black people. And it just escalated from that, and she went to cussing me out.”

    You can almost guarantee the victim will be Black.

    Every. Fucking. Time.

    Show threadCyborganismFeb 10, 2024
    Every time. Every. Single. Time. For real.
    Show threadNoIWontPickaNameFeb 10, 2024

    Did anybody read the article and see the part where she were threatening the employees with a bat and admitted to it?

    I think they’re sort of burying the lede on this one.

    I would completely expect the police to show up, armed and ready for someone who did just receive a call about threatening people with a metal bat.

    Fuck the police and what they did to him, but let’s not pretend like this isn’t a whole other thing than the headline.

    That being said, can you give me the tell me what is cops to do this dude other than make him sit in the back of a police car I very well might’ve missed it.

    Show threadNoIWontPickaNameFeb 10, 2024

    Did anybody read the article and see the part where she were threatening the employees with a bat and admitted to it?

    I think they’re sort of burying the lede on this one.

    I would completely expect the police to show up, armed and ready for someone who did just receive a call about threatening people with a metal bat.

    Fuck the police and what they did to him, but let’s not pretend like this isn’t a whole other thing than the headline.

    That being said, can anyone tell me what the cops did to this dude other than make him sit in the back of a police car I very well might’ve missed it.

    The latter part of that article go wild

    Show threadgirlfreddyFeb 10, 2024

    She said she feared for her father’s safety, so she got a bat from her car, approached the woman and told her to “pick on someone her own size, someone able-bodied.” She said she did not threaten the woman with the bat. Still, she said, the woman called police.

    Show threadNoIWontPickaNameFeb 10, 2024

    If you walk up to someone with a bat in your hand and tell them to pick on someone your own size, you are threatening them with the bat.

    If not to be a threat there is no purpose to bring the bat

    Show threadgirlfreddyFeb 10, 2024

    How do you know she walked right up to Karen? How do you know she didn’t just go and stand by her father while leaning on the bat?

    And why didn’t the woman just ask to see the receipt instead of going all Karen?

    You assume too much.

    Show threadNoIWontPickaNameFeb 10, 2024

    Based just on the facts, she picked up a bat and then issued a threatening statement. Whether you are 2 feet away or 50, that is still threatening someone with a weapon.

    Why are you arguing against this?

    I assumed nothing.

    I used only the things that the lady herself stated.

    If you disagree please point me to the information that you think proves your point.

    I will look at it and reevaluate, I might not change my mind but I will at least listen to your opinion.

    Please, feel free.

    Show threadgirlfreddyFeb 10, 2024

    Based on what media is reporting, which is rarely ALL the facts.

    And you do assume you know how far away she was standing, what her tone of voice was, etc. If you weren’t there = you don’t know for sure.

    You also didn’t respond to my question why Karen just didn’t ask to see the receipt … like a non-racist likely would.

    Show threadNoIWontPickaNameFeb 10, 2024

    Because I am not trying to defend her actions.

    I agree that that is what should have happened.

    Can you give me an example of how holding a metal bat in your hand and telling that to someone in this situation would not be a threat?

    Show threadcircuscriticFeb 10, 2024

    Look, my personal mantra is “pick one someone your own size”, which I chant every morning roaming the streets with my walking bat.

    Only a bigot would think that is a threat.

    Show threadNoIWontPickaNameFeb 10, 2024

    Ok, I can’t help but give an exception for that.

    You are making sure to bang it creepily while talking in a sing-song voice right?

    Show threadcircuscriticFeb 10, 2024

    Eh, it’s more of an summoning Moloch vibe.

    But whenever someone makes eye contact, I make sure to never blink.

    Show threadripcordFeb 10, 2024
    You have to mix it up and drag it slowly on the pavement behind you for a while, too.
    Show threadRivalarrivalFeb 11, 2024
    Based on what she has said. Her description of her own actions with the bat constitute a threat. Unless you’re arguing she was misquoted, she issued a threat with a deadly weapon.
    Show threadTimLovesTechFeb 10, 2024
    From her account the Karen in the store had already laid hands on her father at this point and was then continuing to follow and harass him. Sounds like self defense to me.
    Show threadNoIWontPickaNameFeb 10, 2024
    It’s not self-defense, it may be defense of another, but she was not involved in it until she involved herself
    Show threadRivalarrivalFeb 10, 2024

    Then you don’t understand the concept of self defense.

    A bat is a deadly weapon. To justify the use of a deadly weapon in self defense, a reasonable person must believe there must be a credible, criminal, imminent, threat of death or grievous bodily harm, and that the deadly weapon was necessary to end that threat.

    “Laying hands” does not describe anything remotely close to such a threat.

    Show threadsizzlerFeb 11, 2024
    Oh dear, a classic case of downvoted for uncomfortable truth. The fickle nature of forums strike again.
    Show threadTimLovesTechFeb 12, 2024

    I think if the person is white you can use “stand your ground” and shoot people of color without issue. This isn’t about her having a bat, it’s that she doesn’t look “white enough” to use the same defense several white folks have used now. And those white folks went looking for trouble and still got to shoot people with impunity. She only had a bat and was basically telling the Karen if she wants a problem to keep it up.

    I just don’t see how that isn’t self defense. She also feared for her father’s life from some racist shithead that instead of calling police if she really thought there was an issue, decided to put her hands on this gentleman and then continue to harass him. And I don’t know that stores particularly policy, but most chains strongly discourage harassing and chasing down customers because you have a hunch they may have taken something. So she also likely broke store policy in pursuit of her racist vendetta.

    Show threadripcordFeb 10, 2024

    If you read the rest of the story, they claim she was waiting outside with the bat telling the lady to come out, went inside and knocked a bunch of shit off of shelves, etc.

    Which may not be true, but pretty sure a bunch of people were being stupid and escalating things here.

    Show threadAA5BFeb 11, 2024
    everyone was escalating here, except perhaps the victim. Even then, it seems like you get the manager and make sure they have the cashiers statements instead of trying to leave
    Show threadMisconductFeb 11, 2024
    Ok. What part of the woman having a bat justified beating the shit out of the old guy? Even if he “escalated” look how bad they hurt him and he wasn’t even armed. Cops are pathetic
    Show threadCyborganismFeb 10, 2024

    Yeah. You’re right.

    The daughter totally escalated the situation by bringing a baseball bat and threatening the clerk. No wonder they called the police.

    And the old man, according to affidavits, was simply taken into the back of a police car without any violence to himself. Then he complained of chest pains while in the car so they called an ambulance. He was alert when the ambulance arrived.

    The man had a heart condition that was aggravated due to his daughter escalating the situation and getting the police involved. And now he’s in the hospital because of her behaviour.

    However this could’ve all not happened had the store employee not been a dick. So this is really all that person’s fault.

    Show threadNoIWontPickaNameFeb 10, 2024

    I don’t agree with that logic.

    You are stripping away everyone’s free will except the employee.

    At any point during this, anyone could have made different decisions and just stopped this whole thing

    Show threadCyborganismFeb 10, 2024
    Yeah but the initial instigator was the clerk. That was the spark that started it all.
    Show threadNoIWontPickaNameFeb 10, 2024

    Friend, I already agreed to that.

    My statement is that everyone here was an adult and they all made poor choices.

    Granted that the dudes action was small, but now that I think about it that was actually what started it.

    It should have stopped with just asking the cashier how many bananas he paid for.

    They did not even need to bother asking him and risking someone just thinking they were being called a thief.

    I know that is how I feel every time I get asked for a receipt, and I am a middle aged white guy in redneck country, god only knows how often he probably has to deal with it.

    Show threaddie444dieFeb 10, 2024
    Do y’all’s grocery stores charge by number of bananas? Mine does if by weight. Not that I think that makes a difference, if I keep seeing people taking about paying for an extra banana so im curious.
    Show threadAA5BFeb 11, 2024
    People do it with grapes too, also sold by weight. But here we only have a few. Surely she could have typed in 1/3 extra weight and been pretty damn close
    Show threaddan1101Feb 11, 2024

    Many cashiers can’t do math tho, and if you ask them to they think you’re trying to scam them.

    I think the fact that this guy had a medical flareup that the potassium in the bananas would help will help him in court, if he would even be able to go to court.

    Show threadCyborganismFeb 11, 2024
    Ah ok I misunderstood.
    Show threadjettrscgaFeb 10, 2024

    To answer your question on what the cops did:

    Anjelica Lee said. “My dad said to me: ‘Don’t get out of the car until they can fully see you, because they’re going to shoot.’ And after he said that, nine or 10 of them jumped on him, and then they slammed him on the car.”

    She said she could hear her father screaming: “You’re hurting me. I can’t breathe.”

    This is all from the woman’s perspective. But it sure seems suspicious that he had chest pains that the police’s story can’t explain.

    Show threadNoIWontPickaNameFeb 10, 2024
    Fair enough I missed that part. Thank you!
    Show threadripcordFeb 10, 2024
    And kidney injury, supposedly.
    Show threadNoIWontPickaNameFeb 11, 2024
    I would upvote you but I keep getting an error screen when I try.
    Show threadNoIWontPickaNameFeb 10, 2024

    Did anybody read the article and see the part where she were threatening the employees with a bat and admitted to it?

    I think they’re sort of burying the lede on this one.

    I would completely expect the police to show up, armed and ready for someone who did just receive a call about threatening people with a metal bat.

    Fuck the police and what they did to him, but let’s not pretend like this isn’t a whole other thing than the headline.

    That being said, can anyone tell me what the cops did to this dude other than make him sit in the back of a police car I very well might’ve missed it.

    The latter part of that article go wild

    Show threadTengoDosVacasFeb 10, 2024
    Cops are pussies and should be hunted for sport