Chill Dude 69Sometimes I forget they even allow this.
I’ve never seen a game in early access have dlc, only micro transactions for cosmetics. Can you give me an example of dlc on an early access game?
store.steampowered.com/app/1604030/V_Rising/
I guess you could define the DLC for this game as “microtransactions,” because it’s basically alternate cosmetic stuff, for equipment and powers. But it’s sold under the label of “DLC,” and I don’t care to make a distinction between “microtransactions” and “DLC,” myself. One is a subset of the other.
If they have time to be making decorative extra shit, they should be spending that time working on the core game, which IS NOT FINISHED YET.
You called for a more nuanced take from the other comment thread, but you would put cosmetics and expansions under the same label in this one because of technicalities - do you see the issue?
I don’t see any issue. I can have any opinion I want, with or without your permission.
fishosYes, but if you opinions are hypocritical, they’re free to point that out. It does undermine both you and this discussion.
In this case, there is nuance between cosmetics and expansion pack type dlc. One is obviously more atrocious, but if you’d engage honestly in the debate, you’d find that many people do distinguish between those things. And many people are asking you to provide examples of a game and you point to cosmetics. For many of us, that vastly changes the conversation.
It may not for you, but for us, that nuance matters. And if you’re going to jump on the badwagon in one post extolling the virtues of deeper conversation because otherwise Lemmy will become a sesspit, I dunno, maybe do some of that yourself. Be part of the solution, not the problem.
Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m gonna go see all the nuances other people are discussing.
I was going to engage in actual discussion with you. Then you misspelled cesspit.
What do you think the little red squiggle under misspelled words is? You think the website is just decorating some of your words, for no reason?
Be smarter before trying to tell me how to think, please.
📛MavenFuck off, no you weren’t.
People who want to engage in discussion don’t find a flimsy, meaningless excuse to hurl insults instead. Be less transparent before you try to troll, please.
You are right that I was unnecessarily rude. I apologize.
But I honestly do want to know why you just ignore the red misspelling squiggle, when you misspell a word. I guess I have mild OCD or something, because I simply CANNOT ignore that shit. It’s an absolutely foreign concept, for someone to just be like “nah, I’m right about that word. I know better than the actual dictionary.”
Again: I’m really, truly not trying to be rude anymore. I’m genuinely trying to understand your behavior.
I’m not them, for the record. But personally, I turned browser spellcheck off years ago; I have a lot of fantasy/scifi hobbies, and it often highlighted words that are correct but not in a dictionary, which was annoying, so I just shut it off. And also because it doesn’t really matter, from a linguistic point of view; the purpose of language is to be understood, so as long as a typo doesn’t detract from my meaning, I don’t care. It’d be different if I was writing a business email, but I’m not, I’m shitposting on reddit, so who gives a fuck?
That’s a terrible excuse not to talk to someone, I don’t think I’d be talking to most people for more than a few messages if I did that. Also not everyone has spell check in their Lemmy Interface so there might not have been a red squiggle or maybe the user assumed that because it’s a very uncommon word it might not be in the dictionary.
not everyone has spell check in their Lemmy Interface
I don’t see how that can be true, unless someone is using some sort of text-only, Unix-style browser. All modern browsers will load the rich-text-enabled text entry box, unless you go far out of your way to defeat that feature. I tested the word in the text entry box, and it came up as misspelled. You shouldn’t go to great lengths to disable a spellcheck feature, unless you have ABSOLUTELY PERFECT SPELLING.
If you do, and then you misspell some shit, that is the perfect definition of living in a glass house and chucking rocks. You deserve what’s coming to you, if you do it.
Firefox on windows doesn’t have spellcheck for me (Linux had it by default) and even if it did the interface has to specify that it want’s to use it. The phone app I use also doesn’t use a spellchecker.
Yes, you can have any opinion you want. And no one needs to take you seriously. Your senseless unhinged rambling speaks plenty for itself.
Fair enough. But I’m still correct, whether you like it or not. If you actually stop to think, without just resorting to petty emotionalism, you WILL see that I’m right about everything I’ve said.
Kilgore TroutYou are insufferable. Hope you enjoy your debate.
You misspelled “correct.”
I’m right. You’re wrong. Pay attention to me and try to learn.
You’re not wrong
Yeah that’s what I was talking about. I have no problem with this. I mean, I won’t buy any of it, but cosmetic artists and riggers aren’t the same people who do level design and shit.
If you want to show me someone selling, like, an expansion for $20 on an early access game then I’ll be incredulous with you. But that link is just typical bad business. No reason for Valve to get involved banning it or whatever
The problem is that THE. GAME. IS. NOT. FUCKING. FINISHED.
That’s the problem. Every single nanosecond spent working on DLC/microtransaction shit is being STOLEN from the people who paid into the Early Access model.
This sounds personal. Who hurt you?
Nobody, in this specific situation.
See, this is a thing called EMPATHY. And a sense of justice, outside what I stand to gain, personally.
I believe people should be called out for doing shitty things, just in general. This seems to be an entirely alien concept for a lot of folks. I find that disturbing.
Your attitude betrays your passion. This level of anger over people thinking cosmetics don’t deserve your rage isn’t normal, even for empathetic people. I give both tone and money to charity and I’m nowhere near your level of angry and emotional over cosmetics.
Whether you’ll admit it or not, something happened to make you this emotionally sensitive to this particular issue. I’m curious what it was
Believe what you want. I’ll have the satisfaction of being correct, either way.
True ignorance is the ability to look reality in the face and declare your own correctness anyway. I hope one day you get better at learning from your experiences
seathruOffhand, I know ARK released paid DLC while still in early access.
Yeah see that’s absurd
Star Citezen, right?
Do they sell expansions? Or just ships? I’m on original basic backer and don’t even know lol
If people wanna buy dumb shit, let ‘em.
Nah. Not acceptable. That’s not the case, here. People had already bought the game, in Early Access, before they started selling this extra shit.
They’re betraying the original investors with this shit. It’s fucked up.
I can’t tell you how many threads I’ve seen online at this point of people complaining about paying for early access or preorders and the game isn’t what they thought.
At what point is it your own fault?
Fault isn’t an all-or-nothing proposition. Yes, if you buy basically anything at this point, you’re a sucker.
But it’s also the fault of the people doing the shady shit. Why absolve people of shitty behavior, ever? Blame is free. Spread it everywhere that it ought to be spread.
I mean, it is just your opinion that EA shouldn’t have DLC. There is no fault in buying it and there is no fault in selling it. Does it make things worse for the rest of us? Yeh it does, but really, why do you care if you aren’t buying it?
ONCE AGAIN, I am having to explain the whole concept of CARING ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE, BECAUSE OF EMPATHY.
It’s fucking fascinating to me, how I’ve been called a psychopath in this thread, and yet soooooo many of y’all are really scratching your heads, trying to puzzle out why I would care about people other than myself.
Then let me ask another way, what right do you have to decide what other people may or may not want? If people are paying their hard earned cash to pay for what you and I consider shitty things, then you and I are clearly wrong.
Tell us how you feel about Star Citizen.
Actually gotten good recently.
Ok but actually? I’m an original backer with nothing but the original dinky ship and I’m still waiting for a game with playing for the money I already spent. Haven’t looked in a year or two.
Is squadron 42 even playable end to end yet?
I’m not the one who said it’s good so can’t comment on that part, but sq42 is supposedly feature complete and in the final polishing phase atm.
So the answer is “no”.
Same as always.
I don’t even play the game man, just reporting the news. No need to be a jerk about it.
Not being a jerk, just clarifying that the game that was promised 11 years ago doesn’t exist, and won’t exist for some time.
LucidlethargyMarks have been saying this for literally over a decade.
Tell us how you feel about Star Citizen.
I unironically believe the scammers behind that shit should be imprisoned for life, in that place where they put the surviving Boston Marathon bomber. I guess they would have to expand the place, to house all the people involved with it.
DeceptichumIs your name ironic?
Chill dude
Fair enough
But but but… Your username!
Yeah, it was a mistake. Or, like, aspirational.
Holy shit you’re a psychopath.
Wanting people to be punished for horrible things they did? That’s psychopathy, now?
You realize that there are poor souls out there who have spent their life savings on that piece of shit. Now, here comes the best part: the part where YOU tell me that those people don’t deserve sympathy, they’re suckers, they deserve what they got for speculating on fake starships, etc.
Which one of us has empathy? Which one of us is pointing the finger at the actual criminals?
the part where you tell me
I don’t have to tell you shit. You’re a psychopath who’s clearly beyond reason. You can’t be helped.
Care to give me a list of other criminals and villains who you think shouldn’t be punished?
I’m fascinated by this through-the-looking-glass mentality you have, where wanting vicious criminals to be punished is evidence of psychopathy.
Namaste the fuck away from you.
I just see this as you continuing to defend the actual psychopaths, in the situation. Let me try to make this clearer, for you:
The scammers who sell pretend starships have been happily doing so for YEARS, by now. They know about the stories of people compulsively spending thousands of dollars on their bullshit. They know there are people out there, who have had to break down and tell their spouses “I spent the kids’ college fund on a bunch of in-game starships…BUT HONEY, WE’LL BE ABLE TO FLIP THEM FOR TEN TIMES WHAT I INVESTED? WHY ARE YOU CRYING?”
That shit has happened. To real people. And the asshole scammers absolutely know about it. And they DO NOT CARE, AT ALL. That’s what psychopathy is. They calmly and happily continue to spend those people’s hard-earned dollars. Not on the game. Not investing it back into the game. Oh, no. If they had been using all that fucking money to develop the game, it would have come out years and years ago.
They’re funding their own investments, their own lavish lifestyles, their own egomaniacal satisfaction. They will never feel any guilt about what they’re doing, because they don’t feel guilt. Again: they are actual psychopaths.
The only way to make them feel anything negative about what they’ve done would be to imprison them, in that horrible place in the desert, where they can only see a tiny rectangle of sunlight, and barely have enough space to stretch to their full height. They won’t ever feel bad about the pain they caused other people. They can’t. They would only ever feel sorry for themselves. But I want them to feel that pain.
I don’t see how you can disagree, knowing that most of their victims will NEVER be financially okay again, and they’re just freely living the good life. What passes for a concept of justice, inside your head?
I think you misunderstood
No. I did not.
You think scammer psychopaths should be praised and rewarded. I think they should be punished endlessly. That is the cold reality of this situation.