LinkerbaanFeb 7, 2024

Hamas proposes 135-day Gaza truce with complete Israeli withdrawal

https://lemmy.world/post/11670491

Hamas proposes 135-day Gaza truce with complete Israeli withdrawal - Lemmy.World

Hamas has proposed a ceasefire plan that would quiet the guns in Gaza for four-and-a-half months, during which all hostages would go free, Israel would withdraw its troops from the Gaza Strip and an agreement would be reached on an end to the war. There was no immediate public response from Israel, which has said it will not pull its troops out of Gaza until Hamas is wiped out. The Hamas counterproposal envisages three phases of a truce, lasting 45 days each. Militants would exchange remaining Israeli hostages captured on Oct. 7 for Palestinian prisoners. The reconstruction of Gaza would begin, Israeli forces would withdraw completely, and bodies and remains would be exchanged. U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken arrived overnight in Israel after meeting the leaders of mediators Qatar and Egypt. A source close to the negotiations said the Hamas counterproposal did not require a guarantee of a permanent ceasefire at the outset, but an end to the war would have to be agreed during the truce before the final hostages were freed.

Show threadRapidcreekFeb 7, 2024
They want to stay in power, which was rejected before and will be again.
Show threadMrkawfeeFeb 7, 2024
Yes it will be rejected for spurious reasoms because Israel wants to depopulate Gaza. It’s unfinished business from the 1948 Nakba
Show threadRapidcreekFeb 7, 2024
It’ll be rejected because Isreal doesn’t want to live next to people that want to rape and murder them.
Show threadOccamsTeapotFeb 7, 2024
I think people are generally nicer to you if you don’t oppress them for decades and destroy their homes but hey what do I know
Show threadToucheGoodSirFeb 7, 2024

I’ve been talking to an Israeli girl for the last few months… Interesting to see things from their perspective. Ya know, if I had to hide in shelters from rocket attacks almost everyday, witnessing a stabbing that happened right next to a date I was having, etc, I’d probably be pretty fucking jaded as well.

The recent pulling of UNWRA funding was pretty telling imo :/ what are you supposed to do as a state when you have a bunch of kids being radicalized by billionaires living in Qatar to kill Jews n that it would be an honorable death doing so…

This same girl was thankful for the illegal Israeli settlers in the west bank because they act as a buffer to keep the Israeli center safe as they pull ire to them vs where she lives. I know it is a talking point, but I’d be curious to hear y’all’s answer on why the Egyptian border looks the way it does vs the Israeli one with Gaza.

Talking to this gal initially, I viewed it as trying to understand the perspective of a true believing Nazi German who happened to be ludicrously hot. The saying of “when you start into the abyss for too long, the abyss stares back” is too true >_< she calls the Palestinians rats quite frequently. I’m sad to say that hearing about her life, I’ve come to understand why she thinks the way she does. Even if I heavily disagree with a lot of her opinions and her fact checking.

Just yesterday I was talking to her about the tankboi killing those journalists in Lebanon. Her knee jerk reaction was that it was lies. Had to coax out of her which foreign media source she trusted based off what she had seen… It was fucking fox (of course). So I linked her a fox article about it, and it was quite entertaining feeling the gears turn.

Show threadBB69Feb 7, 2024

I don’t think people understand what it’s like from an Israeli perspective. They place all the blame on Israel. Not saying Israel is innocent, they aren’t, but between the two sides, Israel is the reactionary party.

I have less concerns we could turn Israel pacifist.

Hamas will never be peaceful. It’s up to Gaza’s people to change that and reject the violent poking of Israel.

I mean… what kicked this off this time? Hamas committing horrific acts.

Show threadShyferFeb 7, 2024
I’m pretty sure Israel doing something to the Al Aqsa mosque kicked it up this time.
Show threadBB69Feb 7, 2024
Yes, I’m sure that justifies killing and kidnapping over 1,000 people.
Show threadShyfer
Nothing justifies it, but if you want to know why it happened you’re going to have to look before October 7th. Decades and decades before it even. And you’ll have to be honest about all the things Israel has done, all the people they’ve killed (way more than 1,000 btw), and all the land they’ve taken. And that they continued to do so recently, even before October 7th.
Feb 7, 2024 at 11:42pmWeb
Show threadBB69Feb 8, 2024

So then you go back to the three separate wars the Arab states started all the way back at the beginning.

Hamas will never change. Hamas is a terrorist organization. As long as Gaza lets them lead, this cycle will never be broken.

Show threadShyferFeb 8, 2024

That war was started because Britain betrayed the promise to the Palestinians and gave their land that they already lived on to another state without any of their input.

Gaza doesn’t let them do anything. Hamas won an election once and there hasn’t been another one since.