@frameworkcomputer @FreeBSDFoundation

funny how non-profit organizations like freebsd's endorse venture capitalists like framework's. the "modularity" in the framework is a good step in hardware design, but what good does it do if it's just proprietary and closed hardware? how is it useful when it's centralized like any other manufacturer? oh, and i forgot the proprietary UEFI firmware on the non-chromebook models and non-removable batteries. the MNT Reform is a lot more promising.

@yunori @frameworkcomputer @FreeBSDFoundation

I hope this is a troll comment, if not I need to say this:

Developing libre and open hardwares aren't easy, not only Framework but others like System76 or Pine64 also failed doing so.

Also if one company want to make their hardware, they have to go through various copyright and patent holders which is almost impossible.

Decentralized hardware making doesn't work, it costs too much even with open architectures like RISC-V

@yunori @frameworkcomputer @FreeBSDFoundation

Also I doubt companies which focus on consumer-friendly and more sustainable hardwares (not libre/open though) like Framework or Fairphone have much revenue either, average people don't care much about them, also for them revenue isn't even their main priority so I don' think they're 'venture capitalist'.

Also persuading hardware companies to support free/libre and open source OSes like FreeBSD or GNU/Linux isn't bad though.

@natsume_shokogami

>"Also I doubt companies which focus on consumer-friendly and more sustainable hardwares (not libre/open though) like Framework or Fairphone have much revenue either"

that you can't claim about Framework, as they aren't transparent about their revenues, unlike Fairphone. comparing framework to fairphone is an insult to fairphone, fairphone is actually dedicated to manufacturing *fair* phones, while framework is just another attempt at capitalist green-washing.

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@natsume_shokogami

>"Also persuading companies to support free/libre and open source OSes isn't bad"

supporting linux out-of-the-box is almost always a silly joke. most, if not all, of the laptops that exist on this planet can boot up linux just fine. apple's proprietary joke of a laptop, albeit not easy, can boot up linux. and even if there's an issue, there's always a dedicated community maintained distro/repo backed by enthusiasts who reverse engineer the binaries and port it to libre OSs

@yunori
Yes, nearly every laptop can boot Linux with enough efforts, the main problems are if that is really optimal, worth our effort, or if we can afford against legal risks.

Many replacement libre drivers and firmware are there usually have their performance affected because those manufacturers artificially do so (*cough* NVIDIA *cough*), also some of them have been abandoned due to lack of interest of resources or struggling financially.

@natsume_shokogami

check this out: https://frame.work/fr/en/products/laptop-diy-13-gen-intel?tab=linux

this is not a company that has first-class support for linux in mind. this is one that treats libre software users and activists as second-class citizens. more than 2/3 of the stable linux distros have issues with the framework laptop. if you actually want to see a device that is meant for linux, look at the steamdeck. propietary and all. but it's MEANT for linux.

@yunori Well, you might think so because Framework is actually trying to convincing largee hardware manufacturers to stop anti-repair tactics throigh revenue and sale count and consumer satisfaction.

And to get the most users, they have to support Windows but Micro$oft has known as trying to make using Linux on Windows devices harder and using anti-competitive tactics.

@yunori Those tactics, even if Framework don't want still have to do if they still want to have Windows or risk losing most of their customers and failed their 'missions'.

I feel that Google can and may have done the same to Fairphone as well (Android is both proprietary and even AOSP aren't truly open nor fair competitive).

Manufacturers like System76, Tuxedo, ThinkPenguins, Pine64,... don't even use proprietary OSes in the first place so they are immune to those tactics